TheFlan3 years ago Unuseable in my eyes.
It's useless at first and needs improvement to even be worth using.
Gothe3 years ago it's 9 mana do nothing with a subpar hero power considering it lacks a battlecry and you can get it through mage and another passive treasure from the start of the game.
Gold in Bob's Tavern is precious. of all the upgrades here, excluding V.I.P ones, Fire Magic and Frostbite are probably the strongest. Not saying they're "strong" per say, just compared to the other options. Your hero power dealing 4 damage at least puts it above mage+justicar ring. Frostbite can delay big minions for a time. Dark Power can restore health but it's just some health, not a lot. Cal for Battle is ice if you need cards i guess. Bloodthirsty is a decent weapon, and Spell Damage +2 is Spell Damage +2.
All this being said, it's still 9 mana that you need to upgrade to make remotely comparable to other treasures you can get. and the fact that those upgrades cost gold which you could have been using to improve other aspects, makes it a lot harder to justify. that and the upgrades cost a lot of gold for what they give.
keyvnn93 years ago @Cosmic14 If it helps, I dont think this got in for being well balanced. I dont think any of these did
Cosmic143 years ago My version was like this, but had a "Cards cost 1 less" as battlecry and value generation on top of the 2 damage. The fact this was chosen over that is... IDK. I assume this is okay.
Gothe3 years ago @Stevethebarbarian couldn't have said it better myself. The only way to fix it were to make the upgrades cost 1 gold each, make theme xccedingly better, or both.
Randomizer3 years ago As for all cards that are "upgradeable in the tavern," they should start in your opening hand so they're actually worth upgrades and their base forms should be slightly better than actual cards. So here, I think reducing this to 3 Mana would be appropriate as a "better Shadowform," and it should still start in your hand.
keyvnn93 years ago Just play Wish. Or actually any treasure. Theyre better than the fully upgraded version of this.
How about casually reducing the cost of this to 2? These are **treasures** we’re talking about here.
Stevethebarbarian 3 years ago AAAAAAAA I just wrote a really long comment that got utterly eaten by the system, apparently.
To summarize it 'cause I'm not rewriting the whole thing, Bolan, and all the other "Upgradable at the Tavern" cards are weak, including the original Candlezord. There are a lot of reasons, but the most fundamental one is that the upgrade options all cost (2). You spend most of your coins in Bob's tavern just making this Zul'Jin with no Battlecry slightly less useless, when you could be using [i]one[/i] coin to get a 1/3/5 or a 3/5/4 weapon.
And don't even get me started on the V.I.P. upgrades. 4 mana to upgrade ONE CARD? you could be spending 2 mana to make your entire deck cost (1) less, or 4 mana to get a Bombastic Deck, but you think it's a good idea to spend 4 mana to make your 9 mana do nothing into a 9 mana do a little?
DreMZ3 years ago but what about a Tavern Quest :thinking:
I think that's the only type of card we're missing lol
Gothe3 years ago yeah, i think it should cost less. At base form, it should at least be slightly bellow other treasures, but this is a 9 mana do nothing and gain 5 armor and a hero power that you might already have with mage and Justicar's ring.
I'd say lower the cost, and add more battelcry options.
TheFlan3 years ago Dark Power not being neutral is a bit picky, but it looks off with it bein Warlock.
nutter666 3 years ago So he's a Adventure/ "... Run" Hero you'd add to your adventure deck and (hopefully) upgrade along the way? Sounds cool to me.
Cosmic143 years ago Awww, yours is so much better than mine. Still cool, though.
Kapiork (3.9)3 years ago Could cost less, really. It should be OK without upgrades, but now it's just bad. 9 mana for 5 armor and new hero power just sucks, especially in adventure.
Unuseable in my eyes.
It's useless at first and needs improvement to even be worth using.
it's 9 mana do nothing with a subpar hero power considering it lacks a battlecry and you can get it through mage and another passive treasure from the start of the game.
Gold in Bob's Tavern is precious. of all the upgrades here, excluding V.I.P ones, Fire Magic and Frostbite are probably the strongest. Not saying they're "strong" per say, just compared to the other options. Your hero power dealing 4 damage at least puts it above mage+justicar ring. Frostbite can delay big minions for a time. Dark Power can restore health but it's just some health, not a lot. Cal for Battle is ice if you need cards i guess. Bloodthirsty is a decent weapon, and Spell Damage +2 is Spell Damage +2.
All this being said, it's still 9 mana that you need to upgrade to make remotely comparable to other treasures you can get. and the fact that those upgrades cost gold which you could have been using to improve other aspects, makes it a lot harder to justify. that and the upgrades cost a lot of gold for what they give.
@Cosmic14 If it helps, I dont think this got in for being well balanced. I dont think any of these did
My version was like this, but had a "Cards cost 1 less" as battlecry and value generation on top of the 2 damage. The fact this was chosen over that is... IDK. I assume this is okay.
@Stevethebarbarian couldn't have said it better myself. The only way to fix it were to make the upgrades cost 1 gold each, make theme xccedingly better, or both.
As for all cards that are "upgradeable in the tavern," they should start in your opening hand so they're actually worth upgrades and their base forms should be slightly better than actual cards. So here, I think reducing this to 3 Mana would be appropriate as a "better Shadowform," and it should still start in your hand.
Just play Wish. Or actually any treasure. Theyre better than the fully upgraded version of this.
How about casually reducing the cost of this to 2? These are **treasures** we’re talking about here.
AAAAAAAA I just wrote a really long comment that got utterly eaten by the system, apparently.
To summarize it 'cause I'm not rewriting the whole thing, Bolan, and all the other "Upgradable at the Tavern" cards are weak, including the original Candlezord. There are a lot of reasons, but the most fundamental one is that the upgrade options all cost (2). You spend most of your coins in Bob's tavern just making this Zul'Jin with no Battlecry slightly less useless, when you could be using [i]one[/i] coin to get a 1/3/5 or a 3/5/4 weapon.
And don't even get me started on the V.I.P. upgrades. 4 mana to upgrade ONE CARD? you could be spending 2 mana to make your entire deck cost (1) less, or 4 mana to get a Bombastic Deck, but you think it's a good idea to spend 4 mana to make your 9 mana do nothing into a 9 mana do a little?
but what about a Tavern Quest :thinking:
I think that's the only type of card we're missing lol
eyy we did it
yeah, i think it should cost less. At base form, it should at least be slightly bellow other treasures, but this is a 9 mana do nothing and gain 5 armor and a hero power that you might already have with mage and Justicar's ring.
I'd say lower the cost, and add more battelcry options.
Dark Power not being neutral is a bit picky, but it looks off with it bein Warlock.
So he's a Adventure/ "... Run" Hero you'd add to your adventure deck and (hopefully) upgrade along the way? Sounds cool to me.
Awww, yours is so much better than mine. Still cool, though.
Our collection is complete
Could cost less, really. It should be OK without upgrades, but now it's just bad. 9 mana for 5 armor and new hero power just sucks, especially in adventure.
Thoughts?