Gothe (creator)1 year ago @1tab1tab, don't worry about long comments my guy. I'm just happy people still comments on my sets :qnikkoHi:
1tab1tab 1 year ago That was an incredibly long comment
1tab1tab 1 year ago i have an idea of how to fix the faction cards, just make less of them, like only 1-2 card of each faction for each class, that fit in the same deck but does slightly diffrent things, so maybe one class have an aggro deck and the horde card is a hyper aggro card like a 0-mana 2/1 and the allaince card still fits in an aggro deck but is more on the top end like a 4-5, so do you want a strong finisher/top end with the alliance card, or just more early push with the horde card, maybe the neutral cards does the diffrence, that is a more interesting choice.
DustenStein 2 years ago ...but that is not important right now
DustenStein 2 years ago I'm for real disappointed that this isn't real. Even though my criticism concerning the amount of Horde/Alliance cards remains unchanged, I really love that mechanic. Adds flavour and some strategy for deck-building. Technically, it would make sense if there were more cards per class in general, similar to how Scholomance did it
FriendlyShadow 2 years ago :horde:
|Qwerty|2 years ago By the way, nice prediction wiyh Goblin Mail Piercer
DustenStein 2 years ago :reno:
Switcherland2 years ago For me, I can't get Gothe's Corner out of my memory, no matter how hard I try.
Gothe (creator)2 years ago my biggest crime back then was not including a keyword.
DustenStein 2 years ago I for sure do remember this one most, although I have Timelines clearer in memory than Gothe's Funky Corner of Illegal Activities
Gothe (creator)2 years ago doesn't feel like a year. I attribute that to I think this is my best expansion, and the one after this one is kinda easy to forget/overlook
Kapiork (3.9)2 years ago Wait, this was made on 1st day of the year? :boomS:
Switcherland2 years ago @DustenStein
No, that can't be right.
DustenStein 2 years ago It's been a year...
Switcherland2 years ago @King Kuba Wait for the last one to be a club party with the mercenaries lol.
King Kuba2 years ago We both somewhat predicted 2 out of 3 expansions of this year :tinyfin:
Switcherland2 years ago You officially beat Escape from Elwynn. This is the mark of a pro card maker :gonk: :wow:
DustenStein 2 years ago This has to be the theme for the third expansion this year, right? I wonder how similar it will be to this. If Blizzard made Spell Demon Hunter that would just be epic
Gothe (creator)3 years ago I did. it's a weird thing that happens. @KingKuba experiences the same problem with his set bundles. At least there's the WaWG Set Creator I linked where the cards don't go poof :qnikkoHi:
Kosmyc (3.5)3 years ago @Gothe did you make them all permanent links? If not tokens do expire after ~3-4 months.
Gothe (creator)3 years ago no idea. It seems to be random too on how much of something gets deletes. the more cards you have, the more likely it is to delete some it seems too.
I mean, I can re-add them, which i do want, but it's sorta hard to find an entire afternoon or entire day (depending how long it'd take) to do all that for cosmetic reasons.
DustenStein 3 years ago They sure did. Why does that happen anyway?
Gothe (creator)3 years ago @DustenStein lol yeah it was inevitable since half of all Warlock Gimmicks is excessive drawing. Man, so many of these cards got poofed.
DustenStein 3 years ago Would you look, at that Blizzard stole your Warlock idea
Gody322 3 years ago This is really cool. I like the deck building restriction. :)
Gothe (creator)3 years ago @Mzop Divine Shield go brrr
Mzop (3.7)3 years ago wow, those paladin cards are... pure creativity :I
Ymer3 years ago @Gothe I went into the pack simulator, wondering what the first legendary I got was gonna be, and It was Cho, Art of War.
Gothe (creator)3 years ago Also some fun trivia, when making returning Legendary characters or characters similar to other ones, I tried keeping their original stat-lines.
Baine is a 4/4/5 like OG Baine, Nathanos is a 6/5/5 like Sylvanas, Varian is a 10/7/7 like OG Varian, Saurfang is a 8/4/9 like Grommash.
Gosha305 3 years ago This sure is a great expansion, but I really can't help but notice that the 6th "Cinematic" is missing an "e".
Gothe (creator)3 years ago @Shoemanband thanks for your criticisms. To touch on Druid, yeah, that was the most messy class that want through the most change while making the expansion. Originally Alliance was going to be centered around card draw, but that changed to include some Spell Damage Synergy. The Horde side was going to be about Choose One effects but that changed to minion removal and board clears (like with Druid of the Barrens and the Horde Legendary.) I don't really see the stat stealing as a separate thing, I look at it as a fancy board clear for a class that's not supposed to be great at board clears and single target removal.
Shoemanband3 years ago I'm not a fan of the Faction mechanic. It feels like an arbitrary barrier that only seems to exist for flavor and isn't supported by the design. Some classes have a faction with a dedicated mechanic or theme, while the other one is more of a hodge-podge of random card ideas. For example, Druid's Alliance cards have at least a loose spell theme, while their Horde cards are all over the place with armor gain, AOE, single-target removal, and stat stealing. It's also disappointing how some interactions are blocked by the faction mechanic, like curving Elium into an Uber Beam to get a really strong Solar Beam. I get why you'd want it to feel so restrictive for the flavor of the faction wars, but I think it really hurts the set and would benefit it it was more of a softer synergy.
DarkWolf12 3 years ago Too long cant finish
DustenStein 3 years ago Ok, now that all cards are in, I can say I am into this expansion. I was waiting for this for a while now and am not disappointed. Some small, really minor issues here and there but overall I really like the cards and archetypes. Strategize is a really neat keyword and imo it's used really well here.
Gothe (creator)3 years ago :alliance: :horde: For all 151 cards (that wont poof away) check:
http://www.hearthcards.net/setsandclasses/#61 14-War-at%20Warsong%20Gultch
Randomizer3 years ago Hella cool, high quality expac. As expected from Gothe.
Gothe (creator)3 years ago Got all class cards in here. I'll take this breather to address some of the comments.
1) Seriously?? Vilefiend trainer was a thing? that explains the art but man, that's a bummer. Guess i'll be changing the art and name later. For obvious reasons i can't really change it here.
2) @Dustenstein i can't really change how many cards per faction each class gets at this point. Been making this thing for months now. Factions are also featured in the Neutral cards though so that may help.
3) Vindication isn't meant to have a faction.
3) lastly i'm very happy with how it's been received so far as people seem to overall enjoy it.
DustenStein 3 years ago I think it would be good to get it from random effects. For cyclone mage
Ymer3 years ago Actually two issues. Other than no minion mage, there is no reason to use Arcane Demonstration over Lab Partner.
Ymer3 years ago Love the expansion. Perfect. Awesome. One problem. A SINGLE ONE. Surprising you only have one. "Vilefiend Trainer" uses art from the card in game called "Vilefiend Trainer."
DustenStein 3 years ago "That card" being Forsaken Shadowpriest
DustenStein 3 years ago And @Sofalax you might wanna check out the discussion on that card if it's still in the gallery. We came to the conclusion that its strong, but not as crazy as you might think.
DustenStein 3 years ago About factions...
I like the idea but I would reduce the numbers of those per class because usually, design already does that. No one would run no-minion Demon Hunter cards in a non-no-minion Demon Hunter deck, you know? I would say 2 cards of each faction per class. 3 if you're feeling really good about yourself.
DustenStein 3 years ago Quick Notes:
Did you know that Vilefiend Trainer is already in the game?
Vindication has no faction
You forgot a period on one of the Priest books.
Sofalax3 years ago very cool, yesyes. And I can see that you're still adding so...
* Vilefiend Trainer already exists in the game? Art and all
*Forsaken Shadowpriest is beyond unbalanced, not only is it a 1/2 for 0 mana, but it gives you a better mage hero power? Extremely disgusting.
*Love the idea of factions, and strategize and a good keyword!!
*Very happy that you're using really characters from wow, rather than making all of them up (I suppose you'd need some knowledge of the world to even create the expansion in the first place, but you know)
Other than that, I see a lot of fun and creative cards. Very, very nice.
@1tab1tab, don't worry about long comments my guy. I'm just happy people still comments on my sets :qnikkoHi:
That was an incredibly long comment
i have an idea of how to fix the faction cards, just make less of them, like only 1-2 card of each faction for each class, that fit in the same deck but does slightly diffrent things, so maybe one class have an aggro deck and the horde card is a hyper aggro card like a 0-mana 2/1 and the allaince card still fits in an aggro deck but is more on the top end like a 4-5, so do you want a strong finisher/top end with the alliance card, or just more early push with the horde card, maybe the neutral cards does the diffrence, that is a more interesting choice.
...but that is not important right now
I'm for real disappointed that this isn't real. Even though my criticism concerning the amount of Horde/Alliance cards remains unchanged, I really love that mechanic. Adds flavour and some strategy for deck-building. Technically, it would make sense if there were more cards per class in general, similar to how Scholomance did it
:horde:
By the way, nice prediction wiyh Goblin Mail Piercer
:reno:
For me, I can't get Gothe's Corner out of my memory, no matter how hard I try.
my biggest crime back then was not including a keyword.
I for sure do remember this one most, although I have Timelines clearer in memory than Gothe's Funky Corner of Illegal Activities
doesn't feel like a year. I attribute that to I think this is my best expansion, and the one after this one is kinda easy to forget/overlook
Wait, this was made on 1st day of the year? :boomS:
@DustenStein
No, that can't be right.
It's been a year...
@King Kuba Wait for the last one to be a club party with the mercenaries lol.
We both somewhat predicted 2 out of 3 expansions of this year :tinyfin:
You officially beat Escape from Elwynn. This is the mark of a pro card maker :gonk: :wow:
This has to be the theme for the third expansion this year, right? I wonder how similar it will be to this. If Blizzard made Spell Demon Hunter that would just be epic
I did. it's a weird thing that happens. @KingKuba experiences the same problem with his set bundles. At least there's the WaWG Set Creator I linked where the cards don't go poof :qnikkoHi:
@Gothe did you make them all permanent links? If not tokens do expire after ~3-4 months.
no idea. It seems to be random too on how much of something gets deletes. the more cards you have, the more likely it is to delete some it seems too.
I mean, I can re-add them, which i do want, but it's sorta hard to find an entire afternoon or entire day (depending how long it'd take) to do all that for cosmetic reasons.
They sure did. Why does that happen anyway?
@DustenStein lol yeah it was inevitable since half of all Warlock Gimmicks is excessive drawing. Man, so many of these cards got poofed.
Would you look, at that Blizzard stole your Warlock idea
This is really cool. I like the deck building restriction. :)
@Mzop Divine Shield go brrr
5/5 included Gnoll tribe
wow, those paladin cards are... pure creativity :I
@Gothe I went into the pack simulator, wondering what the first legendary I got was gonna be, and It was Cho, Art of War.
Also some fun trivia, when making returning Legendary characters or characters similar to other ones, I tried keeping their original stat-lines.
Baine is a 4/4/5 like OG Baine, Nathanos is a 6/5/5 like Sylvanas, Varian is a 10/7/7 like OG Varian, Saurfang is a 8/4/9 like Grommash.
This sure is a great expansion, but I really can't help but notice that the 6th "Cinematic" is missing an "e".
@Shoemanband thanks for your criticisms. To touch on Druid, yeah, that was the most messy class that want through the most change while making the expansion. Originally Alliance was going to be centered around card draw, but that changed to include some Spell Damage Synergy. The Horde side was going to be about Choose One effects but that changed to minion removal and board clears (like with Druid of the Barrens and the Horde Legendary.) I don't really see the stat stealing as a separate thing, I look at it as a fancy board clear for a class that's not supposed to be great at board clears and single target removal.
I'm not a fan of the Faction mechanic. It feels like an arbitrary barrier that only seems to exist for flavor and isn't supported by the design. Some classes have a faction with a dedicated mechanic or theme, while the other one is more of a hodge-podge of random card ideas. For example, Druid's Alliance cards have at least a loose spell theme, while their Horde cards are all over the place with armor gain, AOE, single-target removal, and stat stealing. It's also disappointing how some interactions are blocked by the faction mechanic, like curving Elium into an Uber Beam to get a really strong Solar Beam. I get why you'd want it to feel so restrictive for the flavor of the faction wars, but I think it really hurts the set and would benefit it it was more of a softer synergy.
Too long cant finish
Ok, now that all cards are in, I can say I am into this expansion. I was waiting for this for a while now and am not disappointed. Some small, really minor issues here and there but overall I really like the cards and archetypes. Strategize is a really neat keyword and imo it's used really well here.
Gnoll tag, 5/5
:alliance: :horde: For all 151 cards (that wont poof away) check:
http://www.hearthcards.net/setsandclasses/#61
14-War-at%20Warsong%20Gultch
Hella cool, high quality expac. As expected from Gothe.
Got all class cards in here. I'll take this breather to address some of the comments.
1) Seriously?? Vilefiend trainer was a thing? that explains the art but man, that's a bummer. Guess i'll be changing the art and name later. For obvious reasons i can't really change it here.
2) @Dustenstein i can't really change how many cards per faction each class gets at this point. Been making this thing for months now. Factions are also featured in the Neutral cards though so that may help.
3) Vindication isn't meant to have a faction.
3) lastly i'm very happy with how it's been received so far as people seem to overall enjoy it.
I think it would be good to get it from random effects. For cyclone mage
Actually two issues. Other than no minion mage, there is no reason to use Arcane Demonstration over Lab Partner.
Love the expansion. Perfect. Awesome. One problem. A SINGLE ONE. Surprising you only have one. "Vilefiend Trainer" uses art from the card in game called "Vilefiend Trainer."
"That card" being Forsaken Shadowpriest
And @Sofalax you might wanna check out the discussion on that card if it's still in the gallery. We came to the conclusion that its strong, but not as crazy as you might think.
About factions...
I like the idea but I would reduce the numbers of those per class because usually, design already does that. No one would run no-minion Demon Hunter cards in a non-no-minion Demon Hunter deck, you know? I would say 2 cards of each faction per class. 3 if you're feeling really good about yourself.
Quick Notes:
Did you know that Vilefiend Trainer is already in the game?
Vindication has no faction
You forgot a period on one of the Priest books.
very cool, yesyes. And I can see that you're still adding so...
* Vilefiend Trainer already exists in the game? Art and all
*Forsaken Shadowpriest is beyond unbalanced, not only is it a 1/2 for 0 mana, but it gives you a better mage hero power? Extremely disgusting.
*Love the idea of factions, and strategize and a good keyword!!
*Very happy that you're using really characters from wow, rather than making all of them up (I suppose you'd need some knowledge of the world to even create the expansion in the first place, but you know)
Other than that, I see a lot of fun and creative cards. Very, very nice.
oh my god, this is so cool
There it is!