DestroyerR (creator)3 years ago The first point is... kind of strange. It’s bad design because the person might feel bad when unpacking this? It’s not the last Legendary they’ll ever unpack, you know. They might not use it, big deal.
The second point can be fixed with a buff, and doesn’t have to do with the card being a tech legendary.
Stevethebarbarian 3 years ago Because you open this up in a pack, and if what it's meant to tech against isn't powerful enough in the meta to run a [i]8/7/7 Rush,[/i] then that person has just unpacked a totally worthless legendary.
Furthermore, tech cards should be stronger than this. For instance, if your opponent has a Murloc, then Hungry Crab is a 1/3/4 that deals 2-3 damage to a minion. If your enemy has a weapon, Harrison Jones is a 5/5/4 that destroys a weapon and draws several cards. If your opponent controls a Dragon, Dragonmaw Poacher is a 4/8/8 Rush.
Gruul, the Vengeful is just an 8/7/7 that deals 7 damage to a minion and might be difficult to remove, which is just not a big enough reward for an 8 mana Legendary tech card.
DestroyerR (creator)3 years ago @Stevethebarbarian why not?
Stevethebarbarian 3 years ago The existence of DoD does not make this any better a design for a Legendary minion. Legendary tech cards like Hemet and this shouldn't exist.
DestroyerR (creator)4 years ago @Winbow have you changed your mind yet?
DestroyerR (creator)4 years ago "If the meta ever becomes saturated in Dragons, though, this guy would see some play" - AKA the next meta, probably. I made this card with the next expansion in mind, so it would probably be much better than @Winbow says
Gothe4 years ago @Winbow gonna come clean with you, complexity forgot Shovelfist was a card. Though I'd still argue that this is better than Ozruk because of all the condition(s) you need for Ozruk to be worth his price. That being said, Ozruk and this guy are both for different purposes. If the meta ever becomes saturated in Dragons, though, this guy would see some play.
Winbow4 years ago @Gothe The fact that it's above Ozruk and Soggoth in playability, doen't say that this is not a packfiller, even worse than Ozruk (but not worse than Soggoth- like he is really useless). As a common card, the card would be used in arena just like Burly Shovelfist, but not outside of arena, means that if I get him in a pack I'll cry. It's just like another bad legendary from the basic set like the beast or millhouse. Yeah, not the worst packfiller in the game but definitely one of them.
Gothe4 years ago Hm. Well it can be looked at as essentially an 8 mana 7/7 with Battlecry: Deal 7 damage to a Dragon" but this isn't factoring into that you can attack again with it on your next turns, and that it has Rush synergy (though that's very VERY minor). It doesn't seem like a terrible or even bad card. It's leagues above Ozruk and Soggoth in playability. It's probably fairly useful, though I think the main problem some people may have with it is that it *seems* very bland, simple, or basic. At least on the surface, when looking more into it I think it's better then I originally thought about it the other day.
DestroyerR (creator)4 years ago @Winbow is it though?
Winbow4 years ago well... this is the worst packfiller in the game...
The first point is... kind of strange. It’s bad design because the person might feel bad when unpacking this? It’s not the last Legendary they’ll ever unpack, you know. They might not use it, big deal.
The second point can be fixed with a buff, and doesn’t have to do with the card being a tech legendary.
Because you open this up in a pack, and if what it's meant to tech against isn't powerful enough in the meta to run a [i]8/7/7 Rush,[/i] then that person has just unpacked a totally worthless legendary.
Furthermore, tech cards should be stronger than this. For instance, if your opponent has a Murloc, then Hungry Crab is a 1/3/4 that deals 2-3 damage to a minion. If your enemy has a weapon, Harrison Jones is a 5/5/4 that destroys a weapon and draws several cards. If your opponent controls a Dragon, Dragonmaw Poacher is a 4/8/8 Rush.
Gruul, the Vengeful is just an 8/7/7 that deals 7 damage to a minion and might be difficult to remove, which is just not a big enough reward for an 8 mana Legendary tech card.
@Stevethebarbarian why not?
The existence of DoD does not make this any better a design for a Legendary minion. Legendary tech cards like Hemet and this shouldn't exist.
@Winbow have you changed your mind yet?
Innocent until proven guilty.
@MosnarNoedig exactly, so one can’t say this would be an awful pack filler
We don't know :P
Just make it an 8/8 :)
"If the meta ever becomes saturated in Dragons, though, this guy would see some play" - AKA the next meta, probably. I made this card with the next expansion in mind, so it would probably be much better than @Winbow says
@Winbow gonna come clean with you, complexity forgot Shovelfist was a card. Though I'd still argue that this is better than Ozruk because of all the condition(s) you need for Ozruk to be worth his price. That being said, Ozruk and this guy are both for different purposes. If the meta ever becomes saturated in Dragons, though, this guy would see some play.
@Gothe The fact that it's above Ozruk and Soggoth in playability, doen't say that this is not a packfiller, even worse than Ozruk (but not worse than Soggoth- like he is really useless). As a common card, the card would be used in arena just like Burly Shovelfist, but not outside of arena, means that if I get him in a pack I'll cry. It's just like another bad legendary from the basic set like the beast or millhouse. Yeah, not the worst packfiller in the game but definitely one of them.
Hm. Well it can be looked at as essentially an 8 mana 7/7 with Battlecry: Deal 7 damage to a Dragon" but this isn't factoring into that you can attack again with it on your next turns, and that it has Rush synergy (though that's very VERY minor). It doesn't seem like a terrible or even bad card. It's leagues above Ozruk and Soggoth in playability. It's probably fairly useful, though I think the main problem some people may have with it is that it *seems* very bland, simple, or basic. At least on the surface, when looking more into it I think it's better then I originally thought about it the other day.
@Winbow is it though?
well... this is the worst packfiller in the game...