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Friendly Chat

3rd January, 2014 (Basic) ()

Made by Nikko

DustenStein (4.2)1 hour ago
Did you know Lucky Spade works with Brann's Hero Power? With this combo, I beat Plague Lord of Murlocs in one go because it was that easy. He was simply pathetic. And I did bad moves ON PURPOSE so that I don't burn too many cards.
Kapiork 2 hours ago
Congratulations!
Gothe (4.2)3 hours ago
nice!
keyvnn9 (4)3 hours ago
Took me 1.5 years but now Ive beaten all heroic Plague Lords with all heroes. My last one was Madness with Finley: got Glyph of Warding and Recycling, so it was pretty easy
DustenStein (4.2)8 hours ago
Have you guys played Duels after Darkmoon Races released? They got all 3 Hero Powers and all treasures now
Chicken nuggerz (3.9)9 hours ago
I knew it!
keyvnn9 (4)10 hours ago
Never.
Chicken nuggerz (3.9)10 hours ago
Minigame: guess how long until the ancient one would be able to see print as a collectible card without ruining the game
Gothe (4.2)23 hours ago
wait you said reno, forget i said anything!
Gothe (4.2)23 hours ago
Reno has 3 in the same way Doc B does, with a Hero card.
DustenStein (4.2)1 day ago
Yeah, I guess. I think only playable versions should count. There are only 4 characters that have 3 versions, right? Dr. Boom, Elise, Reno, Deathwing or am I missing someone?
Stevethebarbarian (3.6)1 day ago
Four if you count the hero portrait.
DustenStein (4.2)1 day ago
Oh right, Elize has 3 versions now, doesn't she?
Lucious (4)1 day ago
I meant Elise the Golden Monkey seeker, not the Trailblazer. As for Reno, he would be a great way to keep highlander in standard without making new OP cards to break Wild.
Stevethebarbarian (3.6)1 day ago
I agree, that'd be cool.
DustenStein (4.2)1 day ago
Not sure about Reno, Elise and Brann because Reno and Brann might limit design and Elise is Un'Goro exclusive (because pack) but Finley would be very nice
Lucious (4)1 day ago
Here's an idea: If a Classic revamp happens next rotation, the original Reno, Finley, Elise and Brann should become Classic Legendaries.
DustenStein (4.2)1 day ago
That's just a bit outdated. Just like the import button.
Marleon (4.1)1 day ago
By the way. The letters next to the set implicating the set should still be SCH+ ?
keyvnn9 (4)1 day ago
It was nerfed to summon at the end of the turn when Defile was printed.
DustenStein (4.2)1 day ago
I also started right after Kobolds and Catacombs was released. How do you know about all these nerfs Poonda? Dreadsteed was nerfed? I never heard of that.
Kosmyc 1 day ago
@DunstenStein I toyed around beginning in WotOG, but started playing actively in DoD
Gothe (4.2)2 days ago
I played on and off since a month or so before Nax. Never really played it an excessive amount as I did other games tho.
Poondaedalin (4.1)2 days ago
@DustenStein I've played since Kobolds and Catacombs.
TheArcanist (4.2)2 days ago
@DustenStein I’ve been playing since Un’goro, and started playing more competitive (still in Casual lmao) around Kobolds.
Gothe (4.2)2 days ago
In Battlegrounds, there's a demon that removes another friendly demon to gain its stats and 3 extra coins.
Kapiork 2 days ago
@DustenStein What removal Demon?
DustenStein (4.2)2 days ago
Wow, yall are Hearthstone veterans. How long have you guys been playing for?

Completely unrelated, just a helpful note: DON'T try the new removal demon with Brann. His Battlecry does not trigger twice.'
keyvnn9 (4)2 days ago
And Dreadsteed Defile would have been toxic if it were allowed
keyvnn9 (4)2 days ago
Shadowboxer would kill the opponent on turn 3.
Big Priest was tier 3 before the Barnes nerf, people just played it because they had the cards.
Apothecary was nerfed for both gamemodes.
Bloodbloom Darkest Hour was one of the biggest mana cheats in the entire game, THE biggest for how early it happened.
Gothe (4.2)2 days ago
interesting, u think Shadowboxer was fine?
Poondaedalin (4.1)2 days ago
I'm more concerned about how long this will be in the game. Remember how long it took for SN1P-SN4P Warlock to be patched out? It was introduced in May of 2019, and wasn't patched until DECEMBER of 2019. Although I doubt it will take nearly that long, Blizzard has demonstrated that they do not care about Wild. To this day, the Wild cards that have been changed are Naga Sea Witch (which stopped the Wild meta cold in Nagalock, and received a 3 MANA nerf), Barnes (which took TWO YEARS to receive a nerf after Big Priest became problematic in KotFT), Aviana (after the unprecedented bloom of Boomsday Combo Druids with Star Aligner, Malygos, Togwaggle etc.), SN1P-SN4P indirectly (completely uprooting precedent in order to change the card after ignoring it, trying to ban players abusing Chinese clients to bypass the animations, and then banning the wrong players), Bloodbloom (which I don't understand myself, but I guess they REALLY didn't like DH Warlock), Necrium Apothecary (because Turn 4 Deathwing is a little bit powerful), Open the Waygate (which had been a powerful card and deck for a long while), Shadowboxer (which I feel was unneeded), and Dreadsteed (which was understandable but unneeded). I might just be being a naysayer, but I'm not optimistic.
Gothe (4.2)2 days ago
i find it weird that blizzard is fine with a 3 card, 7 mana, turn 7 otk
keyvnn9 (4)2 days ago
I never disenchanted my copies because “This is a weird effect. Let’s see if it breaks eventually”
Poondaedalin (4.1)2 days ago
Never in my life did I think that Wretched Tiller would be a candidate for nerfs, but here we are, I guess. My bet is they're either going to change Hysteria to work like Deathwing, Mad Aspect (attacking each minion once), or changing Tiller to only work if it deals damage to a minion instead of when it attacks a minion. Regardless, they also need to make it so that it terminates properly and doesn't continue for 30 attacks no matter what.
Gothe (4.2)2 days ago
*sigh* I didn't realize the Hysteria Tiller combo completely eats your opponents turn.
TheArcanist (4.2)2 days ago
They're gonna do some garbage nerf like they did witth Naga Sea Witch. Let's go and puch Tiller to 5 mana, that's gonna be fun.
Gothe (4.2)2 days ago
My money's on them changing the Tiller like with Shadowboxer
DustenStein (4.2)2 days ago
Hysteria for sure
Text will change to "Choose an *enemy* minion. It attacks minions until it dies."
I've seen people suggesting "Choose a minion. It attacks all other minions." but personally I don't like this as much because then it loses too much viability
Gothe (4.2)2 days ago
hm. So someone already made the Wretched Tiller OTK that i talked about a couple days ago. how long til it gets nerfed and which card in the combo do you think will bite the bullet?
DustenStein (4.2)2 days ago
Damn, that's so unlucky Poonda. I think lower ranks are worse than higher because I haven't gotten an opponent that ropes for many months. My favourite rank is 10-3 gold. There, opponents play strong decks but not too meta.
Poondaedalin (4.1)2 days ago
For me, the annoying part is that it feels like 70% of players in Wild Casual play meta decks. In Wild Ranked, it feels like 95%. Not to mention that Casual players are generally less obnoxious. I fought five opponents in Casual and three in Ranked. Of those, none of the Casual opponents BMed, and while their decks were powerful, they seemed at least interesting to fight. I swapped over to Ranked at Bronze 1 and immediately got a BMing roping Rez Priest, a Tiller Priest, and a Secret Mage.
DustenStein (4.2)2 days ago
I was afraid to play ranked at first but realising the rating is completely arbitrary, I started playing bad and fun decks as much as I want. I have the 1000 win hero for rogue and no other not even golden ones
Chicken nuggerz (3.9)2 days ago
TheArcanist (4.2)2 days ago
Damn, I really wish Casual games counted towards Golden/1000 win heroes... For the first ~3 years of playing the game I played nearly only Casual and I have a total of more than 4000 Casual wins... And still only one Golden hero (mage) with ~800 wins with the class and about 250 with other classes I play.
DustenStein (4.2)2 days ago
As I said 67 without Battlepass. I do all quests but also sometimes play non-ranked games
Mzop (4.1)2 days ago
32, haven't been playing much lately, i thought i was gonna start again more with the mini expansion but none of it suits my decks, so im just chillin
TheArcanist (4.2)2 days ago
I played ~120 hours since Darkmoon Faire released.
TheArcanist (4.2)2 days ago
Just wanted to know: what levels are you on the rewards track? I'm ~105 with the battlepass bought.
DustenStein (4.2)2 days ago
Deck updates:
Also made a good Duel Paladin and a a-little-less-good BIG Warrior, a Triple Legendary Tree Treant Druid which is just bad and the secret rogue deck which works phenomenally.
DustenStein (4.2)2 days ago
I already used up my yearly budget for phoenix :(
I am reward track level 67 and had 6200 gold anyway so I just spent gold.
TheArcanist (4.2)2 days ago
I bought with money, the deal was great and I'm ptw scum anyway.
DustenStein (4.2)2 days ago
I did. If you're not sure, wait until the meta develops
Gothe (4.2)2 days ago
is it worth it to spend the 2k gold on the new mini expansion?
DustenStein (4.2)3 days ago
So guys, I made a secret quest thief rogue deck for standard. It kicks ass! I run a lot of draw and Zephrys, Hanar and Yogg as the big finishers. I had absolute control over the two games I played (not much but something). All I have to do now is get out of bronze
keyvnn9 (4)3 days ago
On turn *5*, not 4. That would be a bit much even with Darkglare :p
keyvnn9 (4)3 days ago
Next game, my Warlock opponent had 34 stats on the board on turn 4 (before double Flesh Giant on turn 6). I almost turned it around but their Kanrethad Primes on turns 8 and 9 did me in
keyvnn9 (4)3 days ago
Me vs Paladin going 2nd
Turn 1:
-Blazing Battlemage
-Coin Fraud Shadowstep Fraud Edwin
Turn 2:
-Trade into Fraud, Hero Power
-Crunch face, Hero Power + kill 1/1
Turn 3:
-Hero power
-Crunch face, Questing Adventurer, kill 1/1
“Hellooooo....”
DustenStein (4.2)3 days ago
Top creator only shows the top-top creators. There are more, lower on the list.
Mzop (4.1)3 days ago
honestly not sure how or why he does it, im pretty sure you gotta be on that "Top Creator" list, and unless im blind i dont see him, and the cards have made no sense that he's been promoting, like "Concede the game" and "Gain +8 attack" on a 1 mana spell
Mzop (4.1)3 days ago
that they suck? yea i think most people noticed
keyvnn9 (4)4 days ago
Anyone else notice a trend in the cards Nichodemons promotes?
DustenStein (4.2)4 days ago
Barricade is for Big Warrior/Duel! Paladin so there's that.
Kapiork 4 days ago
Hey, Hailbringer is a good Arena card, OK?
Shoemanband (3.8)4 days ago
Honestly, pretty disappointed with this set. While some cards are pretty interesting (Guidance, Libram of Judgement, Lightsteed, Conjure Mana Biscuit), a majority of the cards feel really boring or pointless.

I was hoping this set would be like Galakrond's Awakening with cards that capped off archetypes from the past year and the year before. Yet, a lot of cards from Races feel like packfiller that don't really belong in any deck, including Dreaming Drake, Stablemaster, Rally, Mistrunner, Ironclad, Glacier Racer, and Death Warden. Where's the support for Spell Mage, Totem Shaman, Big Demon Warlock, Deathrattle Hunter, or Taunt Warrior?

I know GA had its share of dud cards (Shadow Sculptor, Dark Prophecy, Hailbringer), but I was much more excited for that set than I am for Races. Maybe Blizzard knew that it wouldn't be that exciting, which is why they chose to reveal the whole thing only two days before launch.
Gothe (4.2)4 days ago
rising power levels
guess Hearthstone is DBZ now
keyvnn9 (4)4 days ago
Y’know what, when Im tired and frustrated IRL I apparently become one of those people who talks about rising power level yadda yar.
But in 20 minute retrospect I still say that 4/8 is insane
keyvnn9 (4)4 days ago
The 3/3 I could see being overrated, but certainly not draw 3 for 3 or the 4/4/8 which does have 4 Attack
Randomizer (3.6)4 days ago
I feel like that 3/3's... actually pretty overrated? Compared to Kirin Tor Mage, and it's 1 less Mana worth of Secret + random choice + -1 Attack + weaker Secret class, in exchange for card draw. It's certainly good, but I honestly see it as sidegrade on Kirin Tor, far from broken.

Also hot take: Draw 3 for 3 and -3 Health in Warlock, the class who's HP is draw? I think it would be balanced by older expac standards. It's the class that weighs it down.

I agree that the potion and Barricade are the standouts, but I don't think Barricade is as powerful as you say. Barricade's technically a 4 Mana 2/8 with Taunt, since you'll never run it in the token decks where the split stats are likely to attack. Still strong, but not 4/8 strong.
keyvnn9 (4)4 days ago
The average power was low, but the high was high.
keyvnn9 (4)4 days ago
Most of the cards are fine, and Id call quite a few weak, but 3 mana draw 3, Kazan Mystic that draws a card, 3 mana draw 3, -3 mana for -1 Attack on Tinker’s Sharpsword Oil, and 4 mana 4/8 Taunt stand out to me a lot.
Randomizer (3.6)4 days ago
Imo, this miniset took a step back in power level. Nitroboost Potion and Barricade are the only cards that really stand out to me power level wise, and even then one's a pre-nerf Cold Blood sidegrade and the other's a class Saronite. I was kind of expecting outrageous stuff... and I got freaking Lightsteed.

The Classic balance has been gone for a very long time, we all know that. But our notions of power and balance have certainly evolved with it. At the very least, we're not Shadowverse yet.
keyvnn9 (4)4 days ago
This mini set and the murmurings of rotating Classic make me think that the notions of power and balance we associate with Hearthstone are going to be gone for good.
keyvnn9 (4)4 days ago
What a world we live in where 3 mana draw 3 “isnt efficient”
DustenStein (4.2)4 days ago
I don't know where my brain went when writing this but "the spell" = "each card once"
DustenStein (4.2)4 days ago
Take both would work. You'd only get two cards, right? It doesn't say "add a copy" so it should just give you the spell. It doesn't matter tho. It's not that important anyway
Randomizer (3.6)4 days ago
My opinion about Backfire... it's not efficient enough for Zoo. 3 Mana is a lot for the class that draws 3 for free with Hand of Gul'dan, doesn't matter if it's conditionless when it's a 3 Mana loss. And control does not want this.

The Shaman/Druid card's weird, but Choose One couldn't be put on the card because you need to see the two cards in the same phase that you make a choice. You need three choices: The two spells and "Take both." Which is cool, but no room of Choose One there.
DustenStein (4.2)4 days ago
Also, does anyone else think the new Shaman/Druid card is weird? It feels like it should have Choose One
DustenStein (4.2)4 days ago
Are you sure? This literally fits into any deck. You don't need a Galakrond, nor a Discard condition. You just take a Ballista Shot and draw 3 cards. We'll see though. All in all though, I'm not disappointed but not exactly excited either. I don't think these cards will have a giant impact on the meta, spicing it up completely but I think some of these cards might see play.
keyvnn9 (4)4 days ago
Only 1 of which you play before turn 6
keyvnn9 (4)4 days ago
Bomb Warrior has 4 minions
Gothe (4.2)4 days ago
a 3 draw 3 with it's condition is fine. Arcane intellect is a 3 mana draw 2. It's considered fine but is viewed as somewhat weak. a 3 draw 3 take 3 damage is fine.
Randomizer (3.6)4 days ago
I'm just hoping Nitroboost Potion doesn't create the next "dead by Turn 4" meta
Randomizer (3.6)4 days ago
3 Mana draw 3 seems pretty weak in the class that also has the 4 Mana 5/4 draw 3, and the 0 Mana draw 3 with Hand of Gul'dan. Only Zoo would run it, but Zoo already has options that don't cut into their tempo. I'd say overrated.
DustenStein (4.2)4 days ago
Arcanist, I thought the same thing. At this point they're just stealing ideas from custom cards hahah.
And keyvnn, I get that but for you to be behind on turn 4 with 0 minions is quite a requirement. I'm sure they made it to counter aggro. Talking about strong cards though, how do you feel about the 3 mana draw 3?
keyvnn9 (4)4 days ago
I see 4 mana 4/8 Taunt
I cry
TheArcanist (4.2)4 days ago
Holy crap this could actually work, considering you have 15+ health in other minions on board.
Gothe (4.2)4 days ago
for that 'choose a minion to attack other minions until it dies' I can't wait for someone to make a Deathspeaker + Wretched Tiller + that spell otk deck. I mean, 3 cards that totals for 7 mana? sign me up.
TheArcanist (4.2)4 days ago
It's kinda cool that they print more and more affects that were repeated on this site... Like 'after your opponent draws their second card in a turn', 'Deathrattles don't trigger', 'a minion attacks random minions until it dies', or 'can only take 1 damage at a time'.
Mzop (4.1)5 days ago
yea i think its really cool but im not sure exactly where its gonna fit, but seems pretty strong nonetheless
Poondaedalin (4.1)5 days ago
Moonfang looks like pure suffering. Looking forward to it!
DustenStein (4.2)5 days ago
They did it everybody. The new Rogue Secret finally used the thing people have made here for ages.
Mzop (4.1)5 days ago
YES thank you very much.
Gothe (4.2)6 days ago
@Mzop this on deviantart?
https://www.deviantart.com/shadowpriest/art/C
ommission-Zandalari-Potion-Master-II-73685489
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Kapiork 6 days ago
Level 50: acquired!
I picked Rexxar.
Mzop (4.1)6 days ago
does someone know the art link for "Seeker Krika" that i keep seeing on cards and want to make one myself, but i can't seem to find it
keyvnn9 (4)6 days ago
Just joking about a turn 4 lethal I had against a ? Warrior who only got to play 2 Sword and Board. It was the turn 1 Edwin thing
Stevethebarbarian (3.6)1 week ago
What.
keyvnn9 (4)1 week ago
Nerfed card btw

Pokeniner (3.8)1 week ago
Hello @DunstenStein I recognized you made a Lakali card that fit the theme of the DH Loa I made a few months back. I wanted to know if you'd be willing to work with me on a DH Custom card list for the expansion, and for the other Raven expansions as well.
DustenStein (4.2)1 week ago
Update: Picked Garrosh. Will start playing control now
DestroyerR (3.9)1 week ago
@Stevethebarbarian ... I did read it, and I responded to it. As @Gothe said, you can’t have a 5 Star card in the gallery with only one rating. I said it needs a NUMBER of ratings
DustenStein (4.2)1 week ago
I like the new Valeera art a lot actually. It has a lot of action and speed. Maybe that's me but I like the new ones with poses more. One thing I have to agree on is that thr Jaina is indeed very weirdly zoomed out
TheArcanist (4.2)1 week ago
I mean, new direction is one thing, but underwhelming art is another. They all seem kinda flat and less natural-looking than the older portraits. Some of them have some weird positions/cropping as well (Kul Tiran Jaina and Wolfrider Thrall being really zoomed out, and some like Nightslayer Valeera and Demonbane Illidan just standing in weird positions).
DustenStein (4.2)1 week ago
I noticed the new artstyle and I kind of like it. It's a fresh new direction
TheArcanist (4.2)1 week ago
If you're not sure, just pick your favorite class or one that you have the least skins for. Or just wait, it's not that you have to claim it immediately.

Also, am I the only one that thinks most of the reward track portaits, as well as the Jaina/Thrall skins feel out of place? The art style is so much different than the original portraits. I feel like they could have gone in a different direction, like the Book of Heroes portraits, which I really like even though the overall community seems to dislike them.
DustenStein (4.2)1 week ago
Just today remembered that each Hero has his/her own theme when you click on their full art. Some of them quite epic too
DustenStein (4.2)1 week ago
I don't know which skin to choose T^T
DustenStein (4.2)1 week ago
Wild Control Warrior kicks serious ass
DustenStein (4.2)1 week ago
No wait, in two
DustenStein (4.2)1 week ago
Wtff!? I just did three reward track levels in one game
Gothe (4.2)1 week ago
a card can't get into the gallery with only 1 rating and a ton of upvotes from what I've seen. The upvotes just send it to the gallery and creator screen to be rated. If only one person rates it and they rate it a 5, it doesn't matter that it has a 5 if only one person voted on it.
keyvnn9 (4)1 week ago
That’s not even in the gallery
Gody322 (3.8)1 week ago
This card has 5 stars:

http://www.hearthcards.net/cards/9437f85b.png
Stevethebarbarian (3.6)1 week ago
Yes, did you read my comment? A card's star rating only appears when it reaches the gallery, so in order for a card to reach the gallery, it needs a 5 star rating and several upvotes.
DestroyerR (3.9)1 week ago
@Stevethebarbarian the upvotes and downvotes only decide whether a card gets to the final voting stage, you still need to have a number of ratings whose average is 3.5 to get in
keyvnn9 (4)1 week ago
Imo Nightmare Amalgam is an example
keyvnn9 (4)1 week ago
I think the best examples of perfect cards are found in the game. I guess there could be a discussion on “which cards do you think are perfect?”
Gody322 (3.8)1 week ago
Personally, I don't think anyone can design a “perfect” card. Even if it follows all that criteria. That's just my opinion though. :)
keyvnn9 (4)1 week ago
What I consider a “perfect” card would have perfect balance (of course), an innovative design, perfect wording, great flavor, good and matching art, and would fit well in the game (following class identity, etc)
keyvnn9 (4)1 week ago
It’s a good thing that the rating ceiling is going up. People shouldnt rate cards low because they’re rated highly, and it is possible to have a “perfect” card
Stevethebarbarian (3.6)1 week ago
It's easy to get a 5.0, @Solfax. All you need is for one guy to rate it 5 stars, and then for a few other people to upvote it from the ugallery without bothering to give it a star rating, and boom, 5.0. Bearing that in mind, many other high ratings are possible- if anything, the only reason more cards don't regularly get extremely high ratings is that when someone sees a card with a high rating that they don't think "deserves" it, they'll do the best they can to reduce that high rating (usually meaning just 1 starring it)
Sofalax (3.9)1 week ago
you really think so @Chicken_nuggerz?
Cuz I've been seeing some pretty insane ratings. From back when I joined, I would have never imagined a card could get a 4.4 rating without a single comment. I didn't even think 4.4 was possible, but I suppose the community has gotten smaller.
Chicken nuggerz (3.9)1 week ago
Ratings seem to be unusually low the past few days.
Mzop (4.1)1 week ago
also i Quite like Champion Sargeras too, i think an interesting Sargeras other than 99/99 dormant for 5 turns warlock card would be neat for the character
Mzop (4.1)1 week ago
Clean The Soularium, a card a made a few weeks ago, i like it because the art and the effect really went well together, and flavour-wise it would return cards you discarded, like if you discarded them using soularium, it would belike your cleaning it up and returning all the souls (cards) it consummed back to your hand
TheArcanist (4.2)1 week ago
Also, another honorable mention to Keeper Renshol and the entire Biodiversity Druid archetype, even though not all of you like it.
TheArcanist (4.2)1 week ago
My favorite of my cards, huh? That's a tough choice. It depends on how you look at cards. I obviously like Late Prophecy and Chest Familiar since they are both near the top of the best of all time. Flavorwise, probably Illidan, the Poet, The Game Master and Honeybear. There's also Xenia as my first ever card in the gallery. Honorable mentions to Coach Arthur and my breakdown management in form of Girlfriend. The choice is very tough.
Ymer (4)1 week ago
Mines split between Thaddock the Thief and Most Seeing Eye. Probably Thaddock cuz it was my first gallery card.
Poondaedalin (4.1)1 week ago
Songfilled Ooze is great
keyvnn9 (4)1 week ago
For me, Songfilled Ooze or the
Randomizer (3.6)1 week ago
Mine's split between Ill-Fated Morti and an oldy, L'Ghorek. Morti's my most well received at 4.3, but I just remember being really happy with how L'Ghorek turned out design-wise. One of the things that brought me into card-making was creating rule-bending designs like that.

That being said, I really should get back into card-making. I've made like what, 2 cards in the past two months? damn
ironwarrior79 (3.6)1 week ago
For me it’s Captain Skullbeard, cause he was the first card I got accepted into the Gallery. Oddly enough I thought his effect was too weak enlightening to see that I was wrong
Stevethebarbarian (3.6)1 week ago
As for me, my favourite card is "Are You Bluffing," which is p obvious considering it's by far my best-recieved.
DustenStein (4.2)1 week ago
Though I do like my Foretell Fate a lot too...
DustenStein (4.2)1 week ago
I loooove skill tree and recess :)
Mine is the new keyword "Improve" and Natural Soulection
Poondaedalin (4.1)1 week ago
My personal favorites are Skill Tree and Recess.
Kapiork 1 week ago
@DestroyerR Oh yeah, George, Forever Lost is amazing. I love it.
DestroyerR (3.9)1 week ago
@Gosha305 obviously can’t choose, a lot of them are on the same level of favorite for me etc., but at least on the flavor front I’d say George, Forever Lost. I love cards that tell a story (especially hero cards), and with this one I really feel I did better with the character than blizzard. Then again, blizzard’s whole storytelling aspect on RoS-SoU-DoD was kind of meh for me
Gothe (4.2)1 week ago
@Gosha305 Mine's gotta be my 'Critical Strike' card. It's one of my oldest cards and I still feel one of my best. It's balanced, pushes what concepts can feasibly be in the game without being ridiculous, and is oozing with flavor.
Gosha305 (4.1)1 week ago
Just saw a reddit post about it, and I feel like it's an interesting question: what custom card that you created is your favorite and why?
DustenStein (4.2)1 week ago
Yeah. I was losing """on purpose"""
Gothe (4.2)2 weeks ago
@Stevethebarbarian I agree with your alternate beating the boss by beating their face. I also never liked the whole 'win the game, but lose in the cutscene' stuff.
Stevethebarbarian (3.6)2 weeks ago
There was another one in Galakrond's Awakening. I'm not a big fan of them, personally. It's super unsatisfying to be easily dominating the boss, but to be told "all you can do is try to survive," it feels like if they want to make that sort of thing work, they should give the boss some sort of scaling HP (like the Lich King's in the KofTH adventure) where you would definitely eventually lose if the boss kept going. Alternately, they could make it possible to win those encounters via beating the boss' face, and either have an alternate ending or a fakeout like Illidan's "that's what SHOULD have happened" in the DH Initiate adventure. Either way I personally don't like the way they've done it recently, particularly with the new Arthas fight.
Kapiork 2 weeks ago
I'm really happy we finally got another "survival" boss, like the ones in LoE.
Gothe (4.2)2 weeks ago
just finished Uther's book of heroes. Arthas was the most fun boss for me. Somewhat challenging and fun playing around his mechanics.
Gothe (4.2)2 weeks ago
@DustenStein to update you on my deck against aggro, just lost to an aggrod eck on T5. I also drew 2 8 cost spells, my amazing reno, and 1 3 cost spell so.
DustenStein (4.2)2 weeks ago
How did I forget that hahah. Back to the drawing board it is then
DustenStein (4.2)2 weeks ago
Ah right the echo card
DustenStein (4.2)2 weeks ago
Wait shoot is it really?
Gothe (4.2)2 weeks ago
@Dustenstein hard to say. Paladin secrets are pretty weak. I'd say 4 since it can also rid your deck of a lot of cards fast. also I'd go with a different name cuz 'Sound the Bells!' is already a card.
DustenStein (4.2)2 weeks ago
Hey guys, if I made a Paladin spell called Sound the Bells!' which has the same text as mysterious challenger, would it be better at 3 or at 4 mana?
Poondaedalin (4.1)2 weeks ago
Yeah I was overreacting
keyvnn9 (4)2 weeks ago
And I should mention, the Edwin nerf is to see how Rogue reacts before potentially making more nerfs
keyvnn9 (4)2 weeks ago
They nerfed the two S-tiers. Im not sure what rampant hsreplay aggro you mean
Poondaedalin (4.1)2 weeks ago
Seriously? Two cards were changed? Aggro is still rampant, and they nerfed VAN-CLEEF?
DustenStein (4.2)2 weeks ago
New nerfs! And I was right about Bogspine Knuckles!
DustenStein (4.2)2 weeks ago
YO GUYS!
Ymer (4)2 weeks ago
@DustenStein stole it from logic(a)lly
DustenStein (4.2)2 weeks ago
where does the "a" come from hahaha
Kapiork 2 weeks ago
@DustenStein It's "Ya-sha-raj". It's an eldritch god. Do you expect his name's pronounciation to make sense?
DustenStein (4.2)2 weeks ago
How do you pronounce Y'Shaarj?
I hear people saying Ya-sh-rajsh but the r is in the wrong place. It's deeply confusing me
Gothe (4.2)2 weeks ago
@DustenStein They do burst me down at times, but I usually have enough delay effects til I can get to my late game and stabilize with y Artificer. Sometimes I just play my Vargoth by himself as a psudo Taunt.
DustenStein (4.2)2 weeks ago
That sounds fun, @Gothe. Weird you don't get hit by aggro decks. I play a Quest Thief Rogue and I get destroyed by aggro decks. I play the quest going second and they have 4 minions by turn 2. The FIRST TURN I can do anything (assuming I didn't coin turn 1)
Poondaedalin (4.1)2 weeks ago
@Kosmyc "After you win a combat phase, gain +1 Attack this turn for each Beast that died this turn"
Gothe (4.2)2 weeks ago
I've said it in the past. It's a variety of Mage spells (both high and low cost), and Arcane Artificer, 2 sorcerers apprentices, 2 mana cyclones, a vargoth, a big ol welp a Spiteful Summonor, both yoggs, and the Amazing Reno. In the matches I do lose, it's usually to control decks or the games where I draw all my late game and spell-reliant cards first with no cheap spells.... or randoness from Reno or the yoggs. I really don't mind losing to RNG as long as it was my own RNG.

Side story, one time I played Yogg, Master of Fate and it got the Curse of Flesh one. I my biggest minion summoned was like a 4/3. My opponent got a Grommosh, a Archmage Antonidas, and some other legendary as well as much better stated minios.
DustenStein (4.2)2 weeks ago
What do you play?
Gothe (4.2)2 weeks ago
huh. never new decks could have such high winrates. Mine average about 50-60%. on bad days where rng doesn't like me i can average about 10% tho
DustenStein (4.2)2 weeks ago
@Poonda
I am not sure about rigged Faire game though...
Intrepid initiate could be a 1/3 at 2 mana.
If Bogspine Knuckles then only 3/2
Sayge is fine. It's a Legendary that draw you cards. It being run over Aluneth just shows that it's a good card, not that it is broken. If you had suggested stat nerfs like -1/-1 I might agree.
And Kabal Crystal runner should he nerfed for sure. Maybe 5 mana 5/5 but, as you suggested, only 1 mana discounts.

And @Gothe wild is crazy. The top decks have a winrate of 72% and higher. Odd Paladin, Discard Warlock and Secret mage sitting at the top.
And to the point that they don't consider wild, they do. They nerfed Darkglare for wild specifically
Gothe (4.2)2 weeks ago
could be 'When you win a combat, you have +1 Attack for each friendly Beast that died this combat.'
Kosmyc 2 weeks ago
How the hell do you phrase this? Basically, each Beast you control gains a deathrattle that gives you +1 attack if you win (BG hero power)

Any thoughts?

keyvnn9 (4)2 weeks ago
Im still waiting for them to nerf 20 cards and bring the power level back to normal
Gothe (4.2)2 weeks ago
also it seems like blizz rarely considers Wild when doing balance changes. They do, like that change to Barnes, or the change to Shadowboxer.
Gothe (4.2)2 weeks ago
dang secret mage is that good? Blows my deck out of the water
Poondaedalin (4.1)2 weeks ago
Here's my personal hitlist for nerfs:

1. Rigged Faire Game: This is my pick for Wild. Secret Mage is disgusting right now (at a 75% winrate), and Blizzard hasn't slowed down the deck whatsoever. Instead, they printed a 3 Mana draw 3 for Mage. It should only draw 2 cards.

2. Intrepid Initiate OR Adorable Infestation. I'll be frank. A Turn 1 4/3 with a 1/1 Token behind it is WAY too good. That's on par with Patches + Small-Time Buccaneer before Buccaneer was nerfed. One of the two needs to be bumped to 2 Mana.

3. Bogspine Knuckles OR Hoard Pillager. Either pick seriously damages Evolve Shaman. The bottom line is that Bogspine Knuckles should be a utility card, not Arcanite Reaper with an upside. My suggestion is to make it a 2/2 weapon, or to make the Hoard Pillager's effect into a Deathrattle.

4. Sayge, Seer of Darkmoon. The fact that Secret Mages now run this card over Aluneth demonstrates its sheer power. It should be a 7 Mana (and on a different note, the card draw should be capped at 10 cards)

5. Kabal Crystal Runner. If you haven't noticed, I REALLY don't like Secret Mage. This is a simple change: Make it cost (1) less instead of (2) less. It's fine to have a Mana cheat card, but it comes out FAR too early.
Gothe (4.2)2 weeks ago
@keyvnn9 I don't think Warsong Commander needs another nerf dude
keyvnn9 (4)2 weeks ago
So, uhh...
There still havent been nerfs?
DestroyerR (3.9)2 weeks ago
Pretty simple issue for me honestly. You want to make cards that look like real hearthstone cards right? In every aspect. Well, one of the aspects is aesthetics, and no card in hearthstone uses the same art as another*. So it’s just like using non-hearthstoney art, it looks completely off.

*except PvE content, which does occasionally have art that is also used in the main mode. That’s why the majority of people are fine with art used in adventures
Gosha305 (4.1)2 weeks ago
To me, reused art feels so weird. I just can't like a card if it has an image I've already seen with a different effect (even if it was some random token 3 expansions ago). I even tend to dislike art that has already been used on the site, especially if it was used on a well-made, memorable card.

I'm cool with Adventure art though. But that's probably just because I haven't played a lot of them lately.
keyvnn9 (4)2 weeks ago
I just downvote used art
DustenStein (4.2)2 weeks ago
Maybe lawful neutral... I am no expert on this alignment thing.
DustenStein (4.2)2 weeks ago
(Nothing too bad. I will also more frequently point that out to prevent it from happening again. So probably closer Lawful Evil than a complete villain)
DustenStein (4.2)2 weeks ago
I don't want to be but I have been cursed with knowledge and now I have to defeat people who reuse art (reducing my rating by 1 star or something like that)
DustenStein (4.2)2 weeks ago
Yeah, I'm the villain now
Gothe (4.2)2 weeks ago
"turn evil concerning used art"
DustenStein (4.2)2 weeks ago
*kind of changing...
DustenStein (4.2)2 weeks ago
Old friend? The kid he raised and taught.

On another note: I think I am kund of changing my opinion about reusing in game art from real cards. I used to say it was fine but in my head, I just came across an imho a very good point:
If a card used no art, it should face consequences, right? It should be not rated as well as a card because 50% of the card, of its area, is missing, right? Same with bad art. So, in theory, should this not be applied to reused art too?
I am kind of torn here because sometimes people really don't know but if nobody manages to convince me, I might have to turn evil concerning used art.
Poondaedalin (4.1)2 weeks ago
I don't know why, but Uther's line at the end basically telling Arthas to burn in hell made me crack up. There's something so funny to me about a devout paladin telling his old friend to go to hell.
Kapiork 2 weeks ago
Just finished Uther's chapter and I can confirm that Arthas was tough. I liked that you had to survive for a few turns instead of just killing him though. I wonder how much HP he actually has. 999? 65536?
Kapiork 2 weeks ago
I've just started and BY THE HOLY LIGHT IS THAT WARCRAFT 3 MUSIC?
Gothe (4.2)2 weeks ago
awsome!
DustenStein (4.2)2 weeks ago
Got him!! YEAH!
Gothe (4.2)2 weeks ago
man. difficulty roof sounds high. haven't played it yet.
DustenStein (4.2)2 weeks ago
TWO PURE COLDS IN A TURN WTF?!!
DustenStein (4.2)2 weeks ago
How am I supposed to deal with two Frost thing spells two turns in a row T^T
That's a duels treasure how am I supposed to deal with that :(((
TheArcanist (4.2)2 weeks ago
Arthas is actually easy if you just keep spamming Hero Power. The boss' deck is fairly weak and the AI keeps making mistakes. The tough fight for me was The Dark Portal. Like, they give them an insane aggressive zoo deck and the player gets a deck with nearly no early plays and just two Equalities/Consecrations. Also, they give you a bunch of random cards ranging from clunky (Prismatic Lens, Turalyon, Time Out) to utterly useless (The 2 mana shuffle a copy of a minion into your deck. Like seriously, this could cost (0) and be absolute garbage in constructed).
DustenStein (4.2)2 weeks ago
I don't use it so I don't know

Hey guys, Arthas is though. Arthas is tough and that sucks. I like how they brought back the music from the Lich King boss fight. Made me feel slightly nostalgic.
Gothe (4.2)2 weeks ago
This is a bit random (and kina vain) of me, but how do you see what a set/expansion/class is rated in the class/set creator? I'm ask'in cuz my newest one is under "top Rated" and i'm curious what it's meaningless, arbitrary rating number is.
Gothe (4.2)2 weeks ago
lol "it" Good for ya @keyvnn9. I never encountereda Mozaki mage. Although I guess I'm also one of those 'weird mage deck' user so.
keyvnn9 (4)2 weeks ago
It, the mage. I feel a bit bad because it’s an endangered species of mage
DustenStein (4.2)2 weeks ago
It?
keyvnn9 (4)2 weeks ago
Just fought my first Mozaki Mage since the start of Scholomance. I killed it on turn 7.
Gothe (4.2)2 weeks ago
and Nathanos was there too. and they got into an argument. And that argument left an entire city in ruin...
Gothe (4.2)2 weeks ago
You were right in your guess. In the War at Warsong 'cinematic' card talking about the bar fight, I made the art to show Varian (and to a lesser extent Nathanos is there too). In the single player mode I made for Gothe's Corner, Called Club Runners, there's a special interaction with one of the final bosses where they mention seeing Varian.
So yep, Varian was hang'in out at one of the bars at Gothe's Corner.
DustenStein (4.2)2 weeks ago
Aaaand?
Gothe (4.2)2 weeks ago
lol yeah, i did respond there but unfortunately I don't think anyone saw it.
DustenStein (4.2)2 weeks ago
Nooo, petebar's snek got deleted. Now I will never know the answer to my theory about Gothe's expansion
Chicken nuggerz (3.9)2 weeks ago
Bruh libram of hope isn’t even a book
Kapiork 2 weeks ago
Am I the only one who keeps thinking Imprisoned Gan'arg equips a 2/2 weapon, not a 3/2?
GoreRattle (4)2 weeks ago
I just reached level 50 after waiting patiently for the weekly quests.
keyvnn9 (4)3 weeks ago
I was startled when I noticed the animated snowflakes in the card creator
Gothe (4.2)3 weeks ago
happy new year fellow hearthcards users
Poondaedalin (4.1)3 weeks ago
Happy new year!
DustenStein (4.2)3 weeks ago
Happy new year all of you!!
TheArcanist (4.2)3 weeks ago
Happy new year guys, hoping we can all feel at least a little better in 2021. Sending virtual hugs to all of you.
Gothe (4.2)3 weeks ago
same to you @petebar! and to everyone else
petebar (4.1)3 weeks ago
To anyone reading this, wherever you are, i a complete stranger wish you a happy new year. 2020 may have not been a good year (pov: my city got bombed in august and i almost died so) but hopefully 2021 will compensate for all the bad news we've heard of so far. Stay safe, cheers!
DustenStein (4.2)3 weeks ago
@TheArcanist I made a mistake. The achievement was "Play a Darkmoon Rabbit for 1 mana". I actually had a standard combo with two Summoning Portals, Dark Portals, Darkmoon Rabbits and Hand of Guldans. I actually won the game I was playing which was unexpected
DustenStein (4.2)3 weeks ago
Sayge is by far not useless
DustenStein (4.2)3 weeks ago
@Gothe do you play wild? Secret mage is top tier. If you craft a few epics commons and rares you could easily go up the ranks
Randomizer (3.6)3 weeks ago
As a f2p, I kinda prefer the old system? I don't know, I just don't like the feeling of getting XP over the feeling of directly getting gold from quests. Gold's the one thing on my mind for getting next expac's packs, and the fact that XP doesn't directly translate to gold (in both conversion and unwanted packs on the reward track) just makes the battlepass experience feel less rewarding for me. Combined with the fact that the previous iteration of the pass was just a way to disguise cutting players' gold, and I'm just not very satisfied with it.

Achievements are a great addition, I just feel like they could've been implemented better. In mobile it's a pain to navigate the achievement tool to collect the points, and I still don't really know what to do with the points so it's kind of just... there.
keyvnn9 (4)3 weeks ago
I dont like it when people say stuff is a kick in the face for all f2p. Im f2p and Im alright with achievements
Gothe (4.2)3 weeks ago
The only legendary cards I got this expansion were the two decks and that other mage gnoll
TheArcanist (4.2)3 weeks ago
Gotta admit tho, I am sure people were like 'what the frick' when they faced a standard Control Warlock in Wild running Horrendous Growth, two Darkmoon Rabbits and Jepetto Joybuzz for the 1-mana Darkmoon Rabbit pull (still didn't happen sadly, and I don't have Deck of Chaos).
TheArcanist (4.2)3 weeks ago
I actually think the achievements that give XP are absolutely terrible. The regular ones, like 'play 20/50/100/500/1000 X' are OK I guess, but the XP ones? Just forcing you to play wacky garbage on ladder while requiring Legendary and Epic cards. And while this doesn't bother me that much since I preorder each expansion and gain 90-100% of all cards during an expansion, it's a kick to the face of F2P players. At least there are Wild dumpster ranks full of noobs and people trying idiot decks where I completed most of the achievements I've done, but I still think they should let us do them in Casual.
DustenStein (4.2)3 weeks ago
*pretend I said something inn the lines of "Yeah, I agree, Shoemanband." before my previous comment
DustenStein (4.2)3 weeks ago
I like the achievements though. Most of them are meh but I had to grind for some using special decks. I once made a Combo deck to play a Darkmoon Rabbit with 10 Attack because I don't have Deck of Chaos. The hero-exclusive Battlegrounds achievements are also very difficult but interesting to hunt down
Shoemanband (3.8)3 weeks ago
The new system is technically more rewarding than before, but I'm still rather disappointed in the rewards track. I've grinded the old system f2p for years and was hoping that this would feel substantially different from before, but it's really just more of the same.
TheArcanist (4.2)3 weeks ago
I really like the system cause I care a lot about cosmetics.
DustenStein (4.2)3 weeks ago
We're not even halfway through this expansion (1.5 months out of 4) and I am at level 44-45 without the tavern pass.
DustenStein (4.2)3 weeks ago
Wait no, it used to be a bit more. I think between 7000 and 8000 but you get my point
DustenStein (4.2)3 weeks ago
Used to be 6500 sth and now the maximum amount of gold you get get is between 9000 and 10000
DustenStein (4.2)3 weeks ago
Correction: we get substantially more gold. Aggro decks suffer the most (as they should) because of their short match duration but overall you get more gold with the new system than with the old one
keyvnn9 (4)3 weeks ago
I think it’s a fine change that benefits casuals
Gothe (4.2)3 weeks ago
just out of curiosity, since w had tome for the dust to settle, what do you guys think of the Battlepass? I was pretty not excited for it when it was announced and came out, but after some time, I don't really mind it. Yes, we get substantially less gold, but it makes it feel like there's a more "end goal" to playing the game more regularly other than rising in rank and completing quests.
Gothe (4.2)3 weeks ago
gonna be real, was not expecting to spend so long editing this freaking logo
TheArcanist (4.2)3 weeks ago
yep small indie company with spaghetti code
Gothe (4.2)3 weeks ago
wow that sounds crazy
keyvnn9 (4)3 weeks ago
And there was one round where 2 people fought the ghost at once
keyvnn9 (4)3 weeks ago
Happened to me too
TheArcanist (4.2)3 weeks ago
It's a bug @Gothe, many people have been reporting that on Reddit and Hearthpwn recently.
Gothe (4.2)3 weeks ago
I feel cheated in Battlegrounds. Was playing a C'thun Pirate build. It was me in third, Omu in second, and Eudora in first. I noticed something. Eudora was only versing ghosts for the past 5 matches.
I beat Omu. So it's just me and Eudora. I automatically get second place and never vs Eudora.
There goes my C'thun 1st place achievement
keyvnn9 (4)3 weeks ago
I dont miss not playing the game though
Ymer (4)3 weeks ago
I miss Turtle Mage. I didn't play turtle mage like you're supposed to, I used it to get 7 copies of Mogu Cultist and then 7 copies of Highkeeper Ra.
TheArcanist (4.2)3 weeks ago
Whirlkick Master was never viable because of how many stinker Combo cards there were, liike Kidnapper, Headcrack or Shadow Sculptor. Now though, the Combo card pool is great, with stuff like Wand Thief, Swindle, Brain Freeze and Prize Plunderer; these cards are also cheap and can be cycled more easily. Not to mention the amazing Foxy Fraud synergy.

Also @Kapiork I'm pretty sure you're gonna be able to get way past level 50 even by just doing dailies and weeklies.
Kapiork 3 weeks ago
Level 40! Do you think I can get to level 50 before the battle pass ends?
Also, I would've never thought Whirlkick Master would be played in a serious deck.
Poondaedalin (4.1)3 weeks ago
The Combo package from this expansion was a LOT stronger than people gave it credit for. Prize Plunderer, Swindle, and Foxy Fraud are all phenomenal cards.
DustenStein (4.2)3 weeks ago
Wow...

Wwwwooowww I have not played enough Standard lately. Whirkick rogue??? I saw evolve Shaman in action but combo rogue?
keyvnn9 (4)3 weeks ago
Looking at raw winrates (not the best for saying how “good” a deck is but good enough to prove my point) at legend, the fourth highest is Bomb Warrior with 51.75%, then close to it in third is Pure Paladin with 51.83%. Then it jumps way up to Miracle Rogue’s 53.58%. Then it jumps AGAIN to Evolve Shaman’s 55.43%.
keyvnn9 (4)3 weeks ago
Soul DH is not a good deck any more. The god-tier-unbeatable deck is Evolve Shaman, then the next best thing is Whirlikick Rogue, then Control Warrior is a bit lower still.
Mzop (4.1)3 weeks ago
im sorry, i just had to get that out of my system
Mzop (4.1)3 weeks ago
MY FRIEND JUSTIN HERE, HE'S ALREADY TAKEN, AND HE'S CRACKED AT FORTNITE MY GUY
Mzop (4.1)3 weeks ago
can i just say
TheArcanist (4.2)3 weeks ago
There are at least three very strong deks right now that use important weapons - Evolve Shaman, Control Warrior and Soul DH. But there are many more - Pally with Hammer of the Naaru, Aggro DH with Dreadlord's Bite or Enhancement Shaman with Doomhammer. Even stealing a 1/2 Dagger from a Rogue is not that bad. And the classes that don't run weapons are rather weak and uncommon (Mage, Priest, Warlock, Druid). A Stickyfinger or two seems like a perfect meta fit similarly to how prevalent Spellbreaker was in KnC with all the Cubelocks.
DustenStein (4.2)3 weeks ago
Wait Stickyfinger is run?? Amazing!!! I love that guy. Never thought he would see play though...
I bet Blizz kept making strong weapons just so that he would be playable.
keyvnn9 (4)3 weeks ago
So, about tech cards:
Tech cards are historically bad to put into your deck when laddering. Bringing up your winrate in one specific matchup is hardly ever worth sacrificing *all* of your other matchups for. Even if a tech card is really powerful, the fact that the average is so bad means it drags your deck down.

Thinking on some tech cards in the game: Dragonmaw Poacher is *huge* payoff if your opponent has Dragons, and it came out in *the* Dragon expansion. It saw minimal play. Ooze has been wrongly put into decks for months before MatDF, namely Quest Warlock to help with Bomb Warrior, but it wasnt even worth playing there since the matchup was just too bad to try to salvage. Raw techs are very, very rare to be common in a meta.

So what does that say about the current meta where it’s often right to run two copies of Kobold Stickyfinger?
TheArcanist (4.2)4 weeks ago
Since next expansion, so probably April. Unless they make it earlier like Darkmoon.
Gothe (4.2)4 weeks ago
Probably hunter for me. I might actually pick DH even though I never play it, it' a good looking skin for a class that doesn't have a lot of good skins
How much longer will this battlepass last btw?
Kapiork 4 weeks ago
Probably Hunter, since that's the only class I play that I don't have a skin for (Maiev for Rogue, Liadrin for Paladin).
DustenStein (4.2)4 weeks ago
I think Uther or Anduin because I don't have a skin for them yet but all of them look so good. I have 1000 wins with Rogue so I'm going to keep that skin for a while even if imo the Rogue skin is one of the coolest.
TheArcanist (4.2)4 weeks ago
Just hit level 50 on the rewards track and grabbed that sexy Gul'dan skin! Which ones did you pick/are you gonna pick?
Kapiork 4 weeks ago
Pretty good.
Poondaedalin (4.1)4 weeks ago
How was everyone's Christmas?
keyvnn9 (4)4 weeks ago
Only the admin can do that now Darkwolf
DarkWolf12 4 weeks ago
Help! I have a life problem! How did you make that the bird went out of the card?
DustenStein (4.2)4 weeks ago
Ok
One is a 2 mana Epic spell that draws a choose one card and makes its effects combined if played this turn
The other is a Legendary 8 mana 2/8 Choose one that either gives your minions stats equal to your Armor or gains 6 Armor and draws 3 cards.
I think I'll change it to only give either bordering minions the stats or just one chosen target because it might be too strong.
Kosmyc 4 weeks ago
On the other hand, if both cards are already decent to great, the combo would be completely broken. See what I mean?
Kosmyc 4 weeks ago
Cards that are designed to combo together aren't great--how playable is each individual card? For example, Solar Eclipse + Starfire is an 8 mana Pyroblast that draws 2 cards... but both those cards aren't honestly that great. Cenarius with Druid Quest completed is a 9 mana 14/15... but requires a hefty amount of set-up.

Context is key when talking about cards like this. If they are DESIGNED with each other in mind, you risk C'Thun syndrome where you end up with cards that are unplayable since they are so reliant on each other.
Gothe (4.2)4 weeks ago
i'm not sure
DustenStein (4.2)4 weeks ago
*+6/+6 not +8/+8 sorry
DustenStein (4.2)4 weeks ago
Oh and also draws you 3 cards...
Writing this out makes this look very insane
DustenStein (4.2)4 weeks ago
Guys, I need some balance judgement.
Would a 2 card, 10 mana, Epic + Legendary combo that gives your minions +8/+8 be broken for Druid? I could post the text for the specific cards if you want me to. I don't feel like making the cards yet because they need to be in a set of 10 and I'm not finished with it yet but I would like some help concerning balance.
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
lol, well this sure made my day a tad better, ok have a good day, bye
Gothe (4.2)1 month ago
sad noises
Gothe (4.2)1 month ago
I mean, yeah, it all depends on if you can make a decent number of highly rated cards before rating changed again.
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
man, the list really changed this time, shoemanband (The past 1 creator i think) isn't even on the list, things have really changed
DustenStein (4.2)1 month ago
Oh, now that you mention it, mine increased a bit too.
Gothe (4.2)1 month ago
@DustenStein every couple of months, the list of top creators change. Top creators are just the people who have the highest rating (mine is 4.2, Mzop's is 4.1, yours is also 4.2).
There's not really an official name for it, so i just called it a cycle.
DustenStein (4.2)1 month ago
Also what is the cycle you mentioned?
Gothe (4.2)1 month ago
@Mzop ah okay. The Promote feature is only available to top creators. So that's probably why you haven't seen it before.
DustenStein (4.2)1 month ago
You get it when you get the stars shown next to your name
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
no i was talking about the Promote, i haven't seen it before
Gothe (4.2)1 month ago
no? You can still upvote cards. It's just the green and red arrows on the right side of cards in the queue.
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
oh ok, was it taken out or something because it seems pretty dope
Gothe (4.2)1 month ago
lol, gratz @TheArcanist
Gothe (4.2)1 month ago
@Mzop to answer your other question, no, the upvote thing is not new. it was here way WAY before a lot of the features that we know and use (rating tings in gallery, changing tokens, etc)
TheArcanist (4.2)1 month ago
I'm on the top! So happy now, great Christmas present.
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
congratz, i don't know how else you thought i got here but ok
Gothe (4.2)1 month ago
WOAH WAIT! a cycle just happened! Only realized it cuz i moved up to third. cool
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
ty ty, also is this Upvote thing new because i have seen people talk about it in the past
Gothe (4.2)1 month ago
@Mzop promote allows you to immediately send a card to the card creator menu (you know how you see cards on the right you can vote on) so people can immediately vote on them instead of them needing enough upvotes to get there. also congratz on being a top creator.
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
hey, i just unlocked something called "Promote"? what is it?
Stevethebarbarian (3.6)1 month ago
Yeah I dunno why anybody'd judge anybody for playing Minecraft, it's not 2016. It's the most popular game ever made, so no stress.
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
i don't know what the heck it is, but i want a "Little Blue Pony"
DustenStein (4.2)1 month ago
Little Big Planet my man. keyvnn was just talking about it.
Gothe (4.2)1 month ago
what is LBP?

my closest reference is MLP so i must assume it stands for "Little Blue Pony"
keyvnn9 (4)1 month ago
Any Civilizationators?
keyvnn9 (4)1 month ago
Important! not saying it’s better than Minecraft, just saying it’s better at the “Do whatever” thing because that’s what the game is
keyvnn9 (4)1 month ago
Well, LBP is more way more open possibilities than Minecraft by a lot, and Dreams is orders of magnitude above either of them
TheArcanist (4.2)1 month ago
I literally just play HS and Minecraft. I remember beating Borderlands 2 a few times, but that was a few years ago and I no longer play the game.
keyvnn9 (4)1 month ago
Or Dreams?
keyvnn9 (4)1 month ago
@TheArcanist Youve never played Little Big Planet, have you?
DestroyerR (3.9)1 month ago
Huh, now that you mention, I really don’t have ANY game I play regularly
DustenStein (4.2)1 month ago
I just (2-3 weeks ago) got Hades on Steam. Beat it a few days ago but am still playing the post-game
Randomizer (3.6)1 month ago
terraria gang where u at
TheArcanist (4.2)1 month ago
Nothing's wrong with playing Minecraft. After all, there is a reason why it's the top #1 game in the world in terms of sold copies. I'd say it's the most unique and universal game of all time that offers endless possibilities and lets you play literally however you want.
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
i soo wanted to say minecraft but i thought you guys would judge me, but yea i play aload of miecraft too. i recently started an SMP with all my friends, so its going pretty well
keyvnn9 (4)1 month ago
Im waiting for the update to come out, then Ill make a new world
TheArcanist (4.2)1 month ago
I play a LOT of Minecraft. Had 800+ hours on my world I played on from March to October.
Gothe (4.2)1 month ago
@DustenStein it' going well. I hope to release it by this next week. I'm just slacking on it cuz real life duties and remaking all the cards to put them into a card bundle is really daunting.
and to answer your question, not really at the moment.
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
yea same lol, i mostly play WoW tho
DarkWolf12 1 month ago
I play a LOT of games
DustenStein (4.2)1 month ago
Hi again. Guys, what are you up to lately. Do you play any games other than HS (if you still do (only happy answers please))? And Gothe, how's your expansion going? Haven't heard/seen much from you lately.
TheArcanist (4.2)1 month ago
There was a card at some point that literally said 'Battlecry: Destroy Tickatus wherever he is'.
Poondaedalin (4.1)1 month ago
Another one is cards that specifically target certain decks to the point that you can’t use it against anything else. Yes, you are so witty for designing a card that resets your opponent’s graveyard, despite the fact that interacting with the graveyard besides summoning minions is not a Hearthstone thing to do, and you’re only designing the card because you’re salty about losing to Rez Priest. Tech cards are one thing, but cards that make your deck win automatically against certain archetypes are not.
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
or a card with a random keyword that's never explained
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
99 mana: Бсаидслапспксапдспказј
ајдсјаиосд асјакзлдслјадењ-п дкиапсдпсапкдапдкс. (something in a diffrent languege with art of real people.
TheArcanist (4.2)1 month ago
The worst card design possible is ripping off cards. I've seen this being done before. And I'm not talking about repeated concepts, but literally exact copies. For regular card design tho, I hate unoriginal 'perfect card' cards and effects that people think are strong but in fact are super weak, like shuffling crap into your deck.
Poondaedalin (4.1)1 month ago
I have a few separate ones that are particularly bad in my opinion:

- Unconditional Start of Game effects: No, a Legendary 1/1 that shuffles itself into your opponent's deck is not balanced. There is no reason not to run the card, since it is never a downside to have.

- Blatant references without any sort of nuance: Making meme cards is fine, but calling a card Thanos with art of Thanos and an effect that halves all enemy possessions with no drawback is not good design.

- Keyword vomit: I am aware that Zilliax and Al'Akir exist, but that doesn't make it good design.

- "Perfect" effects: Not only are these effects highly limiting to the critical thinking and actual counterplay that you want in a card game, but the design is lazy and uninspired.

- Cards that don't respect the intent of a Keyword: There's a difference between a subversive use of a Keyword (e.g.: a Corrupt card that becomes weaker upon Corruption, forcing you to play it early) and a use of a Keyword that actively conflicts with Blizzard's vision and its implementation by the developers (e.g.: A card that causes Deathrattles to become Battlecries).
MosnarNoedig (3.8)1 month ago
Start of Game: Win the game, but with 5 lines of text, a dual-class Paladin-Neutral spell, with a Classic watermark and no rarity.
Chicken nuggerz (3.9)1 month ago
I have a question, what’s the worst card design possible in your opinion.
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
ok, very insightfull. Still kinda confused about the @ but ok.

@DustenStein i agree, i always found Betrug very good, but he never really saw play in Standard and not much in wild. same for Dorian. and i think that even tho they only last a turn they are pretty op with high attack and Deathrattles
DestroyerR (3.9)1 month ago
@Mzop literally out of habit lol, I even put it when talking to the user that just talked or even when I’m just mentioning their username
DustenStein (4.2)1 month ago
@Mzop I occasionally do that if there are comments in between of the comment I try to reply to.
So if I wanted to reply to Kapiork, I probably wouldn't add at "@" but if I wanted to answer your question, I would.

I think Betrug is better since he + Plot twist gives you a way to respond to your opponent's stuff and triggers any Deathrattles you drew immediately (at the end of your turn) unlike Dorian, who only summons 1/1s which are easy to trigger but require "cooperation" from your opponent.
That said, Dorian is cheaper and still quite dangerous earlier since his 1/1s are very easy to pop. Especially Voidlords and other Taunt+Deathrattle minions are such a good play with him since they defend him very well allowing you to get even more minions out of him
Kapiork 1 month ago
It's so that others know who you're talking to.
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
also whats the point of adding an "@" when talking to someone in the comments or refer to them? you can't click on it, and it doesn't generate any link. am i missing something?
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
wow, that sounds dope. also on that topic who is better? Dorian or Betrug?
DustenStein (4.2)1 month ago
I have a very very fun (and very very expensive) wild questlock deck and it's so much fun to play and win with. I scrambled it together of the legendaries that I already had and only needed to craft betrug and soularium. It's very slow but can give you a board of 7-9 mana minions by turn 10.

I recently had this masterful play where I wanted to do my usual Dollmaster Dorian + Soularium + Plot Twist on turn 7 (with coin) but my Soularium gave me Augmented Elekk, Plot twist and Betrug, meaning, my plot twist not only shuffled 9 copies of cards into my deck, one of which is another plot twist, it also filled my board with big stuff from Betrug and 1/1 Deathrsttle stuff from Dorian. It was crazy
Kapiork 1 month ago
Nice.
Gothe (4.2)1 month ago
@Kapiork I was playing Tess. Only other guy was George. We both had 30+ health cuz we've both been rolling the other players. Turns out we both were running elementals. Mine were scaling slightly better but not by a large margin. he had a Spore and ALL his minions had Divine Shield.
I lost hard and i thought there were no hope. Then I remembered Ghouls existed in Battlegrounds.
Then he conceded.
yeah, not really "big brained" but it felt good.
Kapiork 1 month ago
@Gothe What did you do?
Gothe (4.2)1 month ago
i'm doing pretty good. had a mega "big brain" play that won me a game of battlegrounds against George.
Randomizer (3.6)1 month ago
Finals are killing me, but it's all good. How's everyone else doing?
DustenStein (4.2)1 month ago
What's up?
DustenStein (4.2)1 month ago
Hi guys
Chicken nuggerz (3.9)1 month ago
I meant the card but you do have a point that there isn’t precedent for a hero being a minion. Yet.
Randomizer (3.6)1 month ago
Yogg's already in battlegrounds my dude
Chicken nuggerz (3.9)1 month ago
Anyone wonder with the new spells and old gods if Yogg is getting in battlegrounds?
HeyBuddyChum 1 month ago
Just wanted to drop my discord if anyone wants to chat (sorry I'm late to this)
HeyBuddyChumPal#4582
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
Wow, Must be a good Expansion if it takes an entire Discord group to make. Anyways i was doing the Lich king challenges a few days ago, and i must say if you plan on fighting as warrior, just use Platebreaker, its almost easier than Priest
Thimzter (4.1)1 month ago
@DestroyerR Ahhh ok! Thats what I saw, but if you guys need any extra help with the expansion then I would love to help! But if you guys got enough people then no worries :)
DestroyerR (3.9)1 month ago
@Thimzer you probably saw someone mentioning the Discord server @Marleon set up for a super secret project that’s actually about creating an expansion but you wouldn’t know that because I can’t tell you about it
Thimzter (4.1)1 month ago
Hey guys I was wondering, is there a discord now? I've been of the site for a couple of days and I saw some talk of it. Was wondering if it was set up?
keyvnn9 (4)1 month ago
Just a reminder to people making these “petition”s:
This chat exists.
Gothe (4.2)1 month ago
@Marleon NICE!
Gothe (4.2)1 month ago
@DustenStein a lot of them are displayed. just scroll down to the bottom of the emblem menu and click 'custom.' But not all of them are there so yeah, you'll have to guess and try out different ons.
Marleon (4.1)1 month ago
Sometimes you have those games, like I had today to make you remember why you love Hearthstone.

Stewards of Scrolls -> Puzzle Box of Yogg Saron -> Shadow Council -> Lord Jaraxxus -> Win
DustenStein (4.2)1 month ago
Is there a way to see all custom emblems or do you just have to guess?
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
@Gothe i went to the Liadrin and Commented before i read the comment right after it lol
keyvnn9 (4)1 month ago
Whirlikick Master core top tier
Gothe (4.2)1 month ago
this is the wrong f****** card i'm sorry
Gothe (4.2)1 month ago
@Mzop look up "Liadrin, Light's Redeemer" in the Gallery search. pretty sure it might be too overpowered for it's current cost and for what it does tho.
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
oh my god, i just found Out Vannessa Vancleef is Edwin's Daughter! i thought she was his f***** sister, my life is a lie
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
if only life was that simple
Shoemanband (3.8)1 month ago
Could we please try to leave any Battlepass discussion off of this site? There's plenty of that going on in Reddit.
Randomizer (3.6)1 month ago
Thank you Blizzard, making changes to the broken system you created that should've been built into the original battlepass all along. Thank you for not addressing the price of the game, for only communicating with the community when PR calls for it, and for using the one good response you had as an excuse to remove much needed XP events.
Gothe (4.2)1 month ago
"Tavern Brawls and Battlegrounds will now contribute to quest progress"

I was surprise when it wouldn't.
keyvnn9 (4)1 month ago
Oh and for all the Blizzard haters:
https://playhearthstone.com/en-gb/news/235856
75/rewards-track-update-coming-soon
Gothe (4.2)1 month ago
@ShiRokuArt From there it should be somewhat straight forward. If you want to add a card, it needs a permanent link. You can give cards a permanent link on the same page you put them into the gallery queue.

Next, sets/expansions should have a theme to connect everything. Generally a new keyword and a gimmick of two will be wanted. these aren't *necessary* but will help your set feel more authentic.
How you go about making the cards is pretty much all up to you. Some people prefer to make one or a couple at a time and enter them to the queue to get people's opinions on them. Some people do entire class bundles and dumps to get their general idea out there for people to talk about.
Gothe (4.2)1 month ago
@ShiRokuArt I'm a bit confused at what you're asking as "how to create the expansion set" is a pretty broad question and everyone has their own way of going about it.

I'll cover how to use the expansion/set creator first. From the card creator screen, at the botton right there's a button that reads Class Creator. Clicking on it will bring you to the class/set creator. In the center of the page is a list of tips. On the right of the page are lists of custom classes and sets made by other people. On the left is where your sets will be displayed for you.
On the bottom, under "Create a New Set" select "Expansion" not "class". The name and background image can be changed later on so don't worry about finalizing those right now.
ShiRokuArt 1 month ago
Hello. How am i suposted to create the expansion set. What should it include and how to link that.
TheArcanist (4.2)1 month ago
Yeah, Blackguard is the same as Il'gynoth except it costs (2) more, doesn't have Lifesteal himself and can only hit minions, also the effect requires your hero to be damaged and doesn't really do anything. Yeah, they're the same.
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
I mean, not the same but simmilar
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
i just realized, Blackguard is almost the same as Il'gynoth but better
Dragon_Spark 1 month ago
lol
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
w-wait, really?
Gothe (4.2)1 month ago
just realized the skins you can choose from for reaching level 50 were made after tier 1 armor from WoW
Gothe (4.2)1 month ago
thanks!
petebar (4.1)1 month ago
@Gothe That's be me. I found the art on Pinterest in the home page. Try searching Demon Hunter fan art, you might find it.
Gothe (4.2)1 month ago
Just curious, who was the person that made that DH spell called Dash (I think). It's flavor text was something lie "Rogues run, so Demon Hunters Dash" or something to that regard.
I'm asking cuz i liked the art and kinda want it
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
oh ok, i almost had a heart attack of saddnes when i found out, also...waht servers do yall play on in WOW? im just curious, im on Azgalor
Ymer (4)1 month ago
Leroy Jenkins: Deceased televangelist
LEEROY JENKINS: WoW Meme Lord.
Gothe (4.2)1 month ago
also @Mzop the Jenkins you're referring to is Leroy Jenkins, a televangelist.
The player who has/had the character of Leeroy Jenkins is very much alive and is paying classic (forgot which server, I think it's Benediction tho)
Gothe (4.2)1 month ago
Time for another story with Gothe. Get comfy.

There I was playing hearthstone, I was running my AmAzInG Mage Deck (both Yoggs, amazing reno, ect.) Get put up against a mage that has C'Thun the shattered in their deck. Game goes on for a couple turns and there's something wrong with my hand... I've drawn both arcane giants, a yogg, amazing reno and virtually every card taht depends on spells (apprentices and cyclones included) but what's the problem? I hadn't yet drawn any spells to deal with anything I drew arcane intellects that drew more Yoggs. that's it.
The weirdest part was my opponent seemed to only have minions and 1 or 2 big spells in their deck. Yep. I was being burst down by apprentices and cotton candy elementals.
not my proudest moment. But it sounded like a fenny story. hopefully someone got a laugh outta it.
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
also sadly: Is Leeroy Jenkins still alive?
Deceased (1934–2017)
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
oh no, look what i found: A whole 12 years after the video was first uploaded, Ben Schulz – who made and played the Leeroy Jenkins character in WoW – came clean and confirmed it was a staged event. Despite this, Leeroy lives on in infamy in the WoW community and Blizzard even named an achievement after him that you can earn in the game
Ymer (4)1 month ago
Paladin: LEEROY JENKENS. Yep he's a paladin. He's also my favorite WoW meme.
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
maybe Captain Fareya (the captain on the Vindicaar) for Paladin?
Gothe (4.2)1 month ago
i'm here and there on hero skins. i dont really care for them since i (very likely) have to spend money on them.
Marleon (4.1)1 month ago
I really like orcs too, but they have plenty skins already. Unless it's for a paladin or priest, then Im buying it.
Marleon (4.1)1 month ago
Honestly, I just want any goblin, ethereal, draenei and nathrezim skins. They have to be my fav races
Marleon (4.1)1 month ago
Hmmm. From ones you didn't mention

Druid: Remulos (not many cool druids left)

Rogue: Garona (obvious)

Mage: Illidan (he was a mage once, so why not?) or any Ethereal skin (honestly, this race rocks)

Priest: Maybe Velen? (I just need any Dreanei skin for any class tbh)

Paladin: Lothraxion (Honestly, even if he was just added as a Legendary, I still think he is the most unique Paladin character in wow.)

Shaman: I don't really know. Some tauren I guess?

Warrior: Varok Saurfang (My boi deserves some love)

Warlock: Maybe something a bit more wacky? Like a goblin

Hunter: Nathanos maybe?

Demon Hunter: Anybody tbh. We only have Aranna. Maybe another girl would be nice, maybe a blood elf this time instead of a night elf.
TheArcanist (4.2)1 month ago
Guys, if you were to have more hero portraits in the game, what characters would you like to see the most? For me, it would be:
Druid: Hamuul Runetotem, Broll Bearmantle
Rogue: Matthias Shaw, Vanessa VanCleef
Shaman: Ner'zhul, Farseer Nobundo
Mage: Aegwynn, Kalecgos (human form)
Priest: Alexstrasza (human form), Alonsus Faol
Warlock: Kil'jaeden, Archimonde
Warrior: Anduin Lothar, Durotan
Paladin: High Exarch Yrel, Vindicator Maraad
Hunter: Huln Highmountain, Vereesa Windrunner
Demon Hunter: Varedis Felsoul, Altruis the Sufferer
Who else could be a great Hearthstone hero? Share your thoughts!
DustenStein (4.2)1 month ago
Always has been
Kapiork 1 month ago
@Mzop It's always has been there.
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
wait, is this sound new? when you click on Ben Brode it makes a sound of him laughing
DustenStein (4.2)1 month ago
Oh and be sure to check out the emblems that are not listed in the card creator itself
DustenStein (4.2)1 month ago
Am I too late on the advice thing? If not, remember that Hearthstone expansions always advertise 3 major things coming with the new expansion (on their website mostly). Descend of Dragons had Galakrond, Invoke and Sidequests. Darkmoon Faire had Corrupt, Old Gods and Duels, I think. Since you can't just make a new game mode (you can but you'll have to make it separately), you should come up with 2-3 new major things. You don't have to do this but it'll make your expansion feel more real
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
well, this has helped alot, i will keep you all updated with how the Expansion is going, and i will post it when its done, have a great day :)
Gothe (4.2)1 month ago
haha then go for it dude. run with that keyword
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
no thats just a simple example, you will see what kind of cards im gonna make
Gothe (4.2)1 month ago
i'm also not saying they have to be as logn as corrupt if written out, but Spellburst is "After you cast a spell, do X. Can only trigger once."
Recruit is "Summon X from your deck."
Echo is "Repeatable this turn."
Freeze/frozen is "Skips this character's next possible attack."
Gothe (4.2)1 month ago
the thing with keywords, is that typically you'd want them to convey something that would have been written out much longer. take Corrupt for instance.
If written out, Corrupt is basically "While in your hand, when you play a card that costs more than this, do X"

There's not much reason why Bloodfueled Render couldn't read "Whenever you cast a spell, deal 3 damage to each hero."
Since saying "Order: (Cast a spell)" doesn't really reduce the card's text much from "Whenever you cast a spell"
Go for it if you want. And don't take my words or opinions as fact, since i'm one person that does make mistakes and errors in judgement.
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
what do you think?
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
so, the word is Order, example: Order (Cast a spell): Draw a card. Basicly its whenver you cast a spell, draw a card, but there would be other things like Order (Your Hero attacks a minion) : Gain +1/+1. see what im saying? and there would be cards that play with Orders, like the Head Ready Seargent, take a look

Gothe (4.2)1 month ago
still a good video for clans
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
let me make an example of the keyword
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
oh ive watched this, big fan of Platinum :)
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
thanks
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
i think i got an idea for a Keyword, too
Gothe (4.2)1 month ago
here's some help on the different orc clans.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_QqPGADdYY
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
but i just looked up orc leaders, and i got a massive list, im sure i will find something
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
oh yhea, actually thats sorta already in Ashes of Outland, the whole Aldor and Lady Liadrin are based of that, aslo you cant get into the city in the Dreanor one, and also cool trivia, in Liadrins Battlecry she says; Shattrath will not fall in vein!
Gothe (4.2)1 month ago
ooo that's a good one! there's SO many orc tribes on Dreanor and outlands
Gothe (4.2)1 month ago
Shattrath City. it's in the forest you're talking about. some ethereal cultists summoned some uber elemental guy that blew up the city when summoned (sorta like Rag with black rock mountain)
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
i have an idea, for all the classes the main legendary will be one of the past orc leaders and their trusty weapon (if they dont have one i will make it up)
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
there are a lot of cities that got blown up, which one?
Gothe (4.2)1 month ago
isn't there a huge city that got blown up? why not make up some stuff about that place before it was blown up?
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
maybe the all of Dreanor? a can split up classes to the diffrent continents there
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
i was thinking something with Dreanor and the Tarrack Forest, like the Invasion if The Tarrack forest or something like that, but i will need to do a lot of reaserch since i havent been there in a while
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
yea, my first character was a pandaren, and i spent a lot of time in the Wandering Isle (The big turtle's back) and i dont think there is enough things to make an expansion, except pandaren there are just a few Hozen and Vermin and one dragon you one shot
Gothe (4.2)1 month ago
for keywords, look at the Keyword section of the site to get inspiration maybe.
Gothe (4.2)1 month ago
you can still set it in pandaria, i'm just saying maybe focus on an aspect of pandaria instead of the whole continent. Like idk they're taking their giant turtle island to kalemdor or the Eastern kingdoms to intermingle and spread tehri culture and wares.
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
and i mean the whole expansion
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
ok, then im changing it lol
Gothe (4.2)1 month ago
i dont mean to put down your keyword, just letting you know what others r doing.
Gothe (4.2)1 month ago
lol. so many people use the 'At the end of your turn, if this minion could attack but didn't, do X'.

I normally wouldn't point this out to you, but @Ymer is using the exact same keyword for their set. except they're calling it 'Meditate'
Their expansion also takes place in pandaria and is called Chen's Trail. you can look it up in the set creator. they have 1 class finished if i remember.
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
also, this doesnt have anything to do with an Archtype, just an idea of how it works
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
aha ok
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
you know what, let me show you the first card and the new Keyword. So Peaceful is at the end of each turn that this minion could have attacked but didnt, do "X"

Gothe (4.2)1 month ago
You can add tokens to cards after the fact by clicking 'add token' at the top under the name of the card. So you can add the tokens to the cards once they're in your Set Creator. Idk if the tokens need permanent links or not
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
what if i want to add tokens?
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
oh nvm
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
ok, so what do i do with the link?
Gothe (4.2)1 month ago
You them go into the set creator, in your set at the top left, there's a '+' sign on a tab. click it to add cards.
Gothe (4.2)1 month ago
@Mzop when you create a card, you're brought to a screen. at the bottom is a check box to put into teh queue, right? Above that is something that says 'Generate a permanent link' and you click on it to make a permanent link for the card.
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
so first things first, how do i make a card Permenant so i can add i to my expansion?
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
thank you, this has helped a lot, i will always be thankful for this comunity
Gothe (4.2)1 month ago
oh and also you don't need to come up with ever archetype or sub-theme for a class before making said class. I sorta let mine develop naturally as i make cards, and add or remove cards as I progress.
Gothe (4.2)1 month ago
@Mzop to talk about archetypes, typically you'd want to focus on 2 per class (for shaman things like Totem and elementals, for Warriors things like Rush and Taunt) but this is just a loose guidline you can beat and mold into whatever you want (although focusing on AT LEAST 1 archetype per class is strongly recommended, but dont focus on more than 2 per class)

If I could recommend something, perhaps focus on a less broad theme. You do you, i don't mean to change what you want, but i'm giving the idea of maybe focusing on a temple in Pandaria, or maybe the Pandarians coming on teh giant turtle island to visit the rest of Azeroth? I just bring this up because expansions seem to rarely focus on entire WoW expansions (the only one I can remmeber being KotFT). They usually focus on aspects of expansions/the game, such as the Darkmoon Fair, the Grand Tournament, or Un'Goro. Or sometimes they just make up their own scenarios, like Karazan and Scholomance, except it was before they fell apart, or GvG, or Decent of Dragons which takes place in that one zone in Northrend.
Whatever you decide to do, I look forward to it and wish you the best of luck with it.
Randomizer (3.6)1 month ago
I'd suggest 2 archetypes, 8-10 cards for a single archetype is extreme
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
also, expect a lot of questions these next few months
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
my main idea for the expansion was Mists of Pandaria, as i have tried making itin the past and found a lot of good art and have a lot of ideas, i also very much so enjoyed Mists of Pandaria in Wow, and i have a lot of ideas, i also wanted to ask if a class such as lets say priest should have 1 or 2 archetypes bulit into it? as i see cards for like shaman in darkmoonfaire have things for Totem Shaman and Weapon Shama, but some only focus on one, (and some not on any)
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
ok that is a lot of info to take in, but it Helps a lot
Randomizer (3.6)1 month ago
oh welp gothe beat me to that one lol
Gothe (4.2)1 month ago
oh! I forgot something!
@Mzop don't plan to finish your expansion quickly. It'll take a lot of time and if you rush it, then it very well might be under par.
Randomizer (3.6)1 month ago
This might be just a personal thing but, I recommend making an overarching theme for the expansion to design your cards around. Yes, you could make your expansion with separate "themes" for each individual class, but that sort of defeats the purpose of an expansion. At that point you might as well just make cards separately and comment "New archetype, thoughts?"

Making a central theme that cards follow is much closer to what Blizzard does: most cards in the Darkmoon Faire follow a carnival theme for example. It allows you to generate more ideas for cards, and I think it's generally more fun to build cards like this. That's just my take though, the opinion of this site seems a bit different to mine.
Gothe (4.2)1 month ago
@Ymer that's also some great advice. Like incredibly good. I've made that mistake of trying to make a too specific keyword in the past.
Gothe (4.2)1 month ago
@Mzop tips?
It varys from person to person and what they're good at, what they want to do with their expansion. I'm on my second one atm, but my first really only consisted of cards brought together by a theme. A good place to start is a broad theme for the entire expansion. You wont always find perfect art for said theme so get ready to improvise some art that might not quite match.
If you want a keyword (which you might very well want in your expansion) start thinking about it. You don't need to have it finalized before you start making cards either.
Post your cards to get feedback before putting them in the set creator's anotehr good one. If the card has a custom keyword you can try posting it for feedback though results will vary wildly since evaluating and offering advice for custom keywords is a bit more difficult since we cant see examples of it in game.
Ymer (4)1 month ago
@Mzop make you keyword as applicable as possible. Trust me, one failed expansion of mine had a really narrow keyword and it sucked.
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
im thinking of making/starting an expansion, any tips?
keyvnn9 (4)1 month ago
Seem to be forgetting words recently. Im *not really adding
keyvnn9 (4)1 month ago
Not saying people wouldnt run deckthinning, just saying it’s more of a process than “This card bad, begone!”
For some cases at least.
Im really adding anything to the discussion by continuing this, am I?
keyvnn9 (4)1 month ago
There are reasons youd want a card that on average performs worse than your others, but fills a niche. If you want to flatten your matchup spread, for instance, or for tournaments
Randomizer (3.6)1 month ago
Hence, it's still the worst in your deck because having it reduces the chance of drawing cards in your deck that actually boost your winrate.
Randomizer (3.6)1 month ago
@keyvnn Well obviously it's way more complex than just drawn winrate. Clearly Hunter wouldn't cut Secrets from their deck because the drawn WR isn't good, because Phase Stalker's WR is so high.

But tech cards are definitely subject to that rule too. It's a fallacy to assume that just because a tech card drastically changes the outcome of one matchup, it's a card worth running. Because what matters for an optimized deck is AVERAGE winrate, and if a card like Skulking Geist has a low drawn winrate it's an indicator that it doesn't beat enough matchups to be worth the matchups it loses.
keyvnn9 (4)1 month ago
@Randomizer I’ll just say that “worst” is a lot more complicated than drawn winrate, namely with cards that are only in your deck to target specific matchups (ie Skulking Geist)
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
well when you find that Konstantin Turovec art, its easy to come up with ideas
DustenStein (4.2)1 month ago
So many great cards today. Impressive guys
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
perhaps, it isnt anything major just a bit weird
Gothe (4.2)1 month ago
@Mzop is it possible that they were voted too low and thus auto-deleted from the gallery/gallery queue?
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
why have i been seeing cards disapear from the Gallery Que? i commented on one not long ago and now along with a few others its gone, and it didnt get put in the void or the Gallery, i guess maybe the creators deleted them, but there where quite a few
Randomizer (3.6)1 month ago
Cards are only good relative to one another; there will always be a worst card in your deck. Even though a card may seem good, if its drawn winrate is lower than all other cards in your deck, it's actually a bad card because it prevents you from drawing your good cards.

That's why deckthinning is so problematic: every deck wants to draw its best cards and not draw its worst because that boosts your average WR. A card that every optimized deck (except fatigue decks) must have is not healthy for the game.
DustenStein (4.2)1 month ago
I really don't it's that great. People think aggro would really like deckthinning but at this point, there are so many good cards in the game, you don't even need to decide between consistent but bad or inconsistnet but good cards. Why run a card that makes the deck consistent if you can run a good card? Of course, there's a limit to how many deckthinning cards may be in the game. If there were 5 different cards, allowing a 20 card deck, Face Hunter wouldn't need their polkelt. BUT this is custom cards and deckthinning is not even a thing yet. I really don't think a common card with deckthinning potential would be as gamebreaking as people claim
keyvnn9 (4)1 month ago
start*
keyvnn9 (4)1 month ago
Everyone would tart at 31 Health if they wanted, but it would make a fraction of a fraction of a percent of difference.
Kapiork 1 month ago
Basicly, even if it's not broken, it's bad design.
TheFriendlyEnemy (4)1 month ago
If somebody offered me $5 for free, I'd take it every time. That doesn't mean that $5 is a lifechanging sum of money. Deckthinning is similar, in that it's a rather minor benefit. The problem is that many cards provide that benefit for free, like "Start of Game: Draw this." or "This starts at the bottom of your deck."

I believe this is what divides people into the "OP" or "overrated" arguments, and I think both are true. Unconditional deckthinning cards are auto-includes; however some conflate that to mean that they are a game-winning benefit and hence, vastly over-rate it.
DustenStein (4.2)1 month ago
Hi, it's me again. I'd do a survey but I'm lazy so Imma just post it here:

What do you think of Deckthinning?

I have heard many say it's op and many others that it's overrated.
If you can, please write your answer in no more than 6 sentences because this is chat and we don't want to spam long messages
DustenStein (4.2)1 month ago
I really don't like hand of fate (the one that fills your hand with spells that cost 0). Most of the time you only get 4 spells and being able to choose the target doesn't really matter if you get whirlwind, frost nova, arcane intellect and revolve. The old Yogg's BC at least guarantees 10 spells.
Gothe (4.2)1 month ago
@DustenStein Probably the one that's just the old yogg's battlecry. don't get me wrong, it's great, but i'm running the new yogg for the Curse of Flesh, for the random spells to your hand, for the possibility of blowing myself up with the Rod.
HeyBuddyChum 1 month ago
@TheArcanist I agree that it is awesome to see big lore characters, I just wish they just made sense in the expansions they were in
Sofalax (3.9)1 month ago
I dunno man, any option that isn't Rod of Roasting is kinda worthless in my opinion.
DustenStein (4.2)1 month ago
What's in your opinion the worst of Yogg's outcomes?
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
also, Yrel and Lothraxion fought with Demons, not old gods, i dont think either has ever even seen an old god in their life lol
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
also, Demons dont have anything to do with Corruption, rather the opposite actually, Sargeras made The Burning Legion to destroy the old gods, so to me Lothraxion is even more out of place then yrel
Kapiork 1 month ago
Old Gods serve the Void, the opposite of Light. Therefore, the "champions of the light" (Yrel & Lothraxion) must come to the faire and stop them. There can't be shadow without the light, and vice versa. Simple.
Gothe (4.2)1 month ago
I think Lothraxion was closer to fitting in the expansion than Yrel. At least with Lothraxion, he's a Demon, the old gods corrupt. What happens when you corrupt a Demon? Double negative, they turn good (i'm aware that's not what happened with Lothraxion but you at least understand the thought process here with why i think he fits in somewhat)
keyvnn9 (4)1 month ago
Not every card has to be 100% on theme with the expansion
TheArcanist (4.2)1 month ago
@HeyBuddyChum but they at least gave Turalyon a Scholomance-fitting title. And while I think that Yrel and Lothraxion seem a bit out of place, I really love when they add important lore characters to Hearthstone. I know little about the WoW lore, but I enjoy reading the cards' lore on HS wiki.
DustenStein (4.2)1 month ago
They can just come up with characters that's not a problem.
HeyBuddyChum 1 month ago
I feel like Blizzard is starting to run out of ideas for Paladin legendaries so they just throw in big lore characters wherever like they did with Turalyon who had nothing to do with scholomance
DustenStein (4.2)1 month ago
In-game, she is not as swingy as I thought/expected. There aren't many games I won because of Yrel. Rather few even.
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
yhea, but thats very random, but i guess its still cool
Gothe (4.2)1 month ago
@Mzop yeah, it's sorta weird that Yrel and Lathraxion are at the Darkmoon fair. Other than they want to battle the dark, there's not much to them being there. I mean, it could have been like "Yrel, Day Off" to have the theme that this was her one day off and of course, there's the Old Gods at the one place she decides to spend it.
GoreRattle (4)1 month ago
Darkoon Faire?
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
all i can think about is that they were all involved with the old gods, but why put them into the Darkoon Faire? and some like Yrel dont have ANYTHING to do with old gods, only demons and angry orcs
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
i dont really get the flavor with some cards in The Darkmoon faire, like Yrel and Lathraxion dont have anything to do with Darkmoon faire. Same for Tenwu, yes i know he was in mists of Pandaria and he was involved with the sha but that has nothing to do With tha Darkmoon faire, same for Kiri, Greybough, Ticketus, Etc and many more
Ymer (4)1 month ago
I just made the WIP "Chen's Trials" set go live in the class creator. It has a full set of shaman cards, a couple neutral, and a book of ogre.
DustenStein (4.2)1 month ago
Oh yeah. I feel embarrassed because I got him and I should know what he does...
Gothe (4.2)1 month ago
Tenwu is the Rogue legendary. He's a pandaran that bounces a friendly minion back to your hand. It makes that minion cost (1) the turn you bounce them back. It's literally just a better Youthful Brewmaster.
DustenStein (4.2)1 month ago
Who's tenwu? Is that the druid one?
TheArcanist (4.2)1 month ago
Not sure if it has a good deck now, but Tenwu is an insane card overall. Definitely gonna see some play in the future.
Kapiork 1 month ago
I got Tenwu as my level 25 reward. Is he any good?
DustenStein (4.2)1 month ago
Like, his eye moves like crazy and it's very very cool. He also has the 4 pieces which also will be in gold. I'm torn between C'Thun and Yogg. God of consistent nightmares vs god of Madness and RNG.
DustenStein (4.2)1 month ago
Ok. What I he to say in favor of C'Thun is that his golden animation is extremely cool. Yogg's is also cool and he even generates cards which will be golden too. Imo, the best Legendary minions to have golden are the ones that make more cards. I crafted Rafaam v2 im gold simply because a full deck of golden Legendaries is just too rad.
keyvnn9 (4)1 month ago
I dont, but Warrior doesnt seem to be going away so Ill be fine
Kapiork 1 month ago
You guys have dust for crafting?
keyvnn9 (4)1 month ago
C’thun isnt bad. I dont think that it’s a good idea to craft a golden legendary this early though.
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
Yog is just TOO Rng, i dont think 3200 dust is worth 3 pyroblasts to your own face
TheArcanist (4.2)1 month ago
Yogg is probably the best of the four Old Gods in terms of competitive play. I like C'Thun the most tho even though he's kinda bad.
Ymer (4)1 month ago
@DustenStein :O
DustenStein (4.2)1 month ago
Yogg! You will have golden Pyroblasts
Mzop (4.1)1 month ago
Depends, i think Yhsaarj would be cool golden, but maybe even Nzoth?
Ymer (4)1 month ago
I just scraped up enough dust to craft a Golden Old God. Which should I get?
DustenStein (4.2)1 month ago
Check out the YouTube channel Hearthstone Mathematics. They have a lot of statistics (including the generosity of the reward track) which might answer your question.
Gothe (4.2)1 month ago
how much gold is a random Legendary worth? how much gold would it take to craft one?
TheArcanist (4.2)1 month ago
@MosnarNoedig that was so perfect.
MosnarNoedig (3.8)1 month ago
And the Rewards Track isn't actually more gold, it's less...
keyvnn9 (4)1 month ago
The commissioned art for Rising Winds doesnt actually show epic looking eagles, it shows barn owls wearing masks
TheArcanist (4.2)1 month ago
Bloodmage Thalnos is some other guy called Turov the Risen.
keyvnn9 (4)1 month ago
Woop missed that Malygos was mentioned
keyvnn9 (4)1 month ago
And Chillmaw is Sindragosa and Malygos is Kalecgos
Marleon (4.1)1 month ago
And Jaraxxus wasn't originally Jaraxxus, but some other random Eredar...
Shoemanband (3.8)1 month ago
And King Krush's art is just some random blue ravasaur, since Krush is actually green.
TheArcanist (4.2)1 month ago
Yeah, and the art for Malygos is actually Kalecgos. But probably everyone knows this one.
Marleon (4.1)1 month ago
@Ymer The same way, the picture of Shattered Sun Cleric is actually a picture of Lady Liadrin
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
@Ymer Cool!
Fun fact: Flavour text is really cool sometime. From the Darkmoon cards I like G'huun, C'Thun, Balloon Merchant and many I forgot about
Ymer (4)2 months ago
Fun Fact: Youthful Brewmaster's art is actually a picture of Chen Stormstout.
keyvnn9 (4)2 months ago
On Freezing Trap: There’s a difference between a card being good and a card being oppressive. Voracious Reader drawing 3 if your hand is empty is strong. Kael’thas on 6 into 4 Twin Slice 2 Inner Demons for lethal is oppressive.
Shoemanband (3.8)2 months ago
That's pretty much what it was like while Whizbang was standard. "Oh boy, I hope I get to play that good Hunter deck, or even Shaman, just anything besides Pr-" *gets Surrender to Madness Priest*.
That said, it was amazing if you managed to win with that Priest deck.
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
Maybe, but maybe not. I used Whizbang when AoO came out bc that's the expansions I "skipped" to get into the cycle of saving up gold until the launch and I barely got any wins. It's really random too. Maybe you like Mage but hate Priest but "whoops, it's a Priest deck. *pat on back* you'll be good bro. Have fun in wild."
Poondaedalin (4.1)2 months ago
It's not as bad as you think. I've been trying it in Wild, and the decklists are quite good. Granted, it's not amazing against Wild Secret Mage or Odd Paladin, but I digress. There are so many vagrants playing high-ranking Standard decks on Wild ladder that it ends up balancing out.
Gothe (4.2)2 months ago
Whizbang not being in standard seems like such a weird move by blizz. you'd never want to run it in wild because it puts you at a straight disadvantage.
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
If you're playing aggro, you don't have enough cards in hand to be able to replace your extra-cost minion with another one but you can play around freezing and not lose too many resources. In control, you lose a lot of resources BUT you have just as many good cards in hand meaning you'll just play something else to replace the higher-cost minion.

Also Standard Whizbang is my dream and my purpose. I got him golden from a normal pack. I want my golden Standard decks in Standard, not in wild.
Shoemanband (3.8)2 months ago
If you anticipate a Freezing Trap, then you’ll want to deal with it with your 2 Mana minion rather than something more expensive. Plus, if your opponent is playing a secret on turn 2, then they’re not developing the board (unless it’s from Phase Stalker and the like).
Marleon (4.1)2 months ago
The problem being, you spent those 2 mana to deal with the trap you didn't really wanted to deal with, because you wanted to manage the early game board. Sure, you manage the secret, but lose the board. In every meta I faced Hunter, Freezing Trap is one of the biggest problem cards
Shoemanband (3.8)2 months ago
Freezing Trap is not that big of a deal in early turns. If you commit your turn 2 minion into a Freezing Trap, that’s not a big tempo loss since you essentially spent 2 Mana to deal with a 2 Mana card which is an even tempo trade. In later turns, when it could threaten a 4+ Mana minion, you usually have more options to play around it at that point. The problem is more so cards like Phase Stalker that cheat out those Secrets with a body, but those cards will rotate out.
Marleon (4.1)2 months ago
The problem is that in the early stages, you have very little room to play around Freezing Trap, if you're not a Tempo deck, because if you play a single minion on turn 2 (many decks don't really have a solid Turn 1 play), you're playing into Freezing trap and there isn't much you can do. Can't attack, can't go face, you have to hope to draw some spell do remove threats or you just take a bunch of damage. Even if you manage to clear the board, you still lack any tempo, as your minion which survived/you just played means nothing as it's gonna be bounced back to your hand. My main problem with Freezing Trap and Edwin is just how opressive those cards are and there's only one way to counter them, some decks might not have, which can cost you the game, or at least the early game
keyvnn9 (4)2 months ago
What I wouldnt mind seeing is rotating and unnerfing Warsong to the less than 3 Attack version, and maybe doing something with Charge! too
keyvnn9 (4)2 months ago
With Freezing Trap, you really don’t lose the game on the spot. Playing around Secrets is one of the more skilltesting parts of the game, so removing a Secret that’s really fine would make people riot about the game being dumbed down.
As for Edwin, he’s really nowhere near the most powerful thing that can be done in the early turns of the game. He’s a huge commitment, with big risk/reward, and can be often dealt with even with big stats.
As for Shadowstep, I also think this card is fine. Rotating Shadowstep would be like rotating Sorcerer’s Apprentice, where it’s not needed but would be a huge bummer for the class for the rest of time. Rogue would never recover. It’s one of the most “Roguey” cards, and it’s far from broken
Marleon (4.1)2 months ago
Well, I got... Deck of Chaos from Level 25. It's gonna be fun
TheArcanist (4.2)2 months ago
Guys, I just got N'Zoth from the level 25 reward, so now I have all 4 Old Gods! Feels pretty cool. Time to make Menagerie Warrior.
Marleon (4.1)2 months ago
But I think they won't change Magma Rager, because it's too big of a meme, especially having so many copycats and Blizz stated *somewhere* that Magma Rager is intentionally bad, because it's supposed to serve as a teaching element, so even the new players realize it's bad
Marleon (4.1)2 months ago
I think this revamp targets the basic set more, like Silverback Patriach, they want to make those cards more playable and such
Lucious (4)2 months ago
They're going to do a whole Classic/Basic revamp next year. Source: https://outof.cards/hearthstone/1723-hearthst
one-is-evaluating-the-basic-classic-sets-for-
a-revamp-much-like-priest-received-with-ashes
-of-outland
Marleon (4.1)2 months ago
And bringing back old cards to the classic set is generally a bad idea, maybe except Whizbang, because they further devaluate already the worst set in the game
Marleon (4.1)2 months ago
I would still disagree about Edwin and Freezing Trap.

The ebb/flow idea is false. Edwin is played in all metas, and it isn't for the fact that there's so many card to support him, but most people go out of their way to implent him and give him support. Especially since he's a backup win-condition. I don't think this card is healthy for the game since it's a 3 mana semi win condition, especially limiting design space for any cheap cards for Rogue.

And I don't see anything clever about Freezing Trap. The so called "important nieche" is a no brainer, you just play it and most of the time you out tempo your opponent quite a lot, if they don't have any AOE. Sure, it would change the interactions with the Secrets, but for the better, as you would actually be able to have more interaction with your opponent and playing against Hunter not being "So do I get AOE or lose now?"
Poondaedalin (4.1)2 months ago
Here's a fun one: what if they rotated Warsong Commander, but changed her text back to the pre-TGT version that grants minions Charge? Warrior desperately needs help in Wild right now, and I feel like Warsong in Wild wouldn't be overpowered. Plus, if Blizzard is worried about the effect being too strong, then the effect can be changed to an aura, rather than an on-play effect ("Your other minions with 3 or more Attack have Charge" vs. "Whenever you summon a minion with 3 or less Attack, give it Charge"). That way, Frothing Berserker will lose Charge after gaining more than 3 Attack.
TheArcanist (4.2)2 months ago
I think they should rotate Shadowstep. The card is basically just a copy of your best Battlecry in the deck and has been obnoxiously strong in basically any Rogue build.
Poondaedalin (4.1)2 months ago
As for the purely Wild cards, my personal wish list is Whizbang, Varian Wyrnn, Eadric the Pure, Troggzor, and Blingtron.
Poondaedalin (4.1)2 months ago
I'd like to see the four unlockable cards from the old days added back to Standard: Captain's Parrot, Old Murk-Eye, Gelbin Mekkatorque, and E.T.C.
Gothe (4.2)2 months ago
*bringing back
Gothe (4.2)2 months ago
also how do people feel about bringing ack cards and adding them to the classic set?
Gothe (4.2)2 months ago
i gotta agree with everything @keyvnn9 said abut both the trap and the edwin.
keyvnn9 (4)2 months ago
As for Freezing Trap, I think the Hunter Secrets are the best designed Classic Secrets. Freezing Trap fills a very important niche in the game with how your opponent interacts with Secrets, and removing it would change the dynamic completely.
Hunter Secrets recently have actually been amazingly balanced in terms of which you run, with the main Holy Trinity being Explosive, Freezing, and Pressure Plate. You can pretty much swap between them as much as you want to tech how you choose, and they’re all very even.
keyvnn9 (4)2 months ago
Chadd Nervig on Edwin:
“ Let's talk about Edwin VanCleef, and why he isn't going to the Hall of Fame (at least, not yet, anyway).

Edwin was very much on our short list of potential cards to Hall of Fame this year. (Sea Giant was the other close contender).

He definitely has been extremely powerful, for a long time. So, why not rotate him? Well, a couple reasons.

He's really good, but he's also in a class, not Neutral, and that goes a long way.
He's also right up Rogue's alley in terms of class identity.
He skews Rogue in general toward playing lots of little cards, but not toward any particular archetype overly strongly.
Much of his *current* power level is dependent upon Year of the Dragon cards. This sort of ebb/flow with expansions is good! Not disputing that he's been pretty strong all along, but Year of the Dragon in particular has had really strong synergies for him.
This is definitely a card that we'll continue to reevaluate each year, so I wouldn't be surprised if Edwin does make it to the Hall of Fame in the future. But at least for the Year of the Phoenix, we think the Standard game is better with him still there.”

I agree with him. I think that Edwin is fine right now, and should only be removed if he’s very much blocking future designs that Blizzard wants to implement.
Marleon (4.1)2 months ago
What do you think should be the card to rotate in the next Hall of Fame cycle? I have 1 obvious and 1 less obvious choice.

Obvious one: Edwin VanCleef.
Edwin is a card that can sometimes just win you games, is very opressive and he is one of the most played legendaries ever. He is the only classic class legendary to make an appearance in EVERY meta, because he is just that good.

Less obvious: Freezing Trap
Freezing Trap is by far the strongest Hunter Secret. Even if Phase Stalker will rotate alongside this Hall of Fame rotation, Hunter is still getting quite a lot of Secret archetype support, which might hint at something. Freezing Trap is an incredibly strong card. It denies your opponent's tempo as the weren't able to do much with the minion they just played, protects your own valueable minions and almost destroys a minion. Sap already is a strong card on its own, but in the early turns, Freezing Trap is much better than Sap, when you don't have any other minions to check for it, as well as the increased cost makes the card pretty much dead in your hand and playing it in most situations would be a huge waste of mana, especially when you're trying to keep up with a super fast face Hunter about to kill you.
TheArcanist (4.2)2 months ago
I've been playing some Secret Mage and Evolve Shaman in standard and these decks are so cool! I've never seen an Evolve deck so consistent since Doom in the Tomb. And @DustenStein I think a Discord group could be cool to talk, share decks and game highlights.
keyvnn9 (4)2 months ago
6 mana 4/4 weapon, After your hero attacks, deal 4 damage to all enemies. You also draw it at the start of the game.
In original K&C it was a 6/6 deal 6 but changed for obvious reasons
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
Not particularly for custom cards (cuz that already exists) but rather for this community (ofc we'd have a channel for cards too)
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
What does full Quel-delar do @keyvnn9? I never assembled it myself.

What do you guys think, should we just make a Discord group? This is somewhat of a poll.

Advantages are more channels, easier chatting, posting images and probably more.
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention: Lothraxion for my Demons and the entire Silver Hand package.
It's a really good deck. I don't really want to "ruin" this chat with deck codes but if anyone wants to try it out, or if anyone has some great decks to share, I'd be down to post/copy some deck codes. Maybe a separate chat would be good for this but if that's the case, might as well create our own Discord.
keyvnn9 (4)2 months ago
I had an 11-3 Duels run with Warrior where I got Emerald Goggles, 2x LOCUSTS, and a full Quel’delar. It was an experience.
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
I made myself a neat N'Zoth Paladin deck, using 7 murlocs (the new 2/3 that draws dragons, the 2/1 Legendary and the 4/3 with Rush), 2 2/3 Bronze Explorers for dragons, 2× the new 3/3 Weapon for Elementals, 3 mechs (the claw 6/3 twice and the corrupt one once), 2 Amalgams and best of all THE DARKMOON RABBIT! It saved me so many games I'm not even joking. For Paladin, hard removal like that is precious and getting 2 for 1 with N'Zoth is just such a deal.
Kapiork 2 months ago
@Gothe Sounds great!
Gothe (4.2)2 months ago
So I haven't played ranked in a while. My second game was against a Dragon mage who had a 6 Mana reduction on all their dragons thanks to that one Legendary and the Duplicate Secret. They also had Frostlich Jaina.
I was playing my 'AmAzInG' deck which as both Yoggs and Amazing Reno in it. I won some how and I'm happy about it.
The game after that I played against a Rez priest with my same deck. Beat em down with the good ol' Mirror ENtity + Polymorph Potion to destroy tehri Rag.

I know this doesn't seem that important or epic, but I'm just happy i'm not constantly being squashed down and can have some fun with my own decks instead of the hyper optimized ones everyone seems to run.
Poondaedalin (4.1)2 months ago
My favorite so far has to be "An Even Larger Man" for controlling a big minion.
TheArcanist (4.2)2 months ago
@DustenStein OH MY GOD I JUST REALIZED THAT
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
Have yall looked at the names for the Achievements? Their names are so good in a bad way. The one for spell damage minions for example is called "D-A-M-A-G-E". Took me a moment
Randomizer (3.6)2 months ago
I mean, Evolve Shaman's a legitimate thing due to Cagematch Custodian consistently drawing Boggspine. So yeah, Derailed Coaster's seeing some play
keyvnn9 (4)2 months ago
Lifedrinker has been used with Youthful Brewmaster too I think
TheArcanist (4.2)2 months ago
Derailed Coaster has been used with Boggspine Knuckles if I remember correctly.
Ymer (4)2 months ago
I fell Derailed Coaster has some untapped potential. Potentially a 5 mana 9/8. Seems like tempo overload if you don't have AOE
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
Correction: *6
6 cards with a 4 star or higher rating. Wow.
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
Yoo. Really great cards today. I think there are 4 with a 4 star rating.
CardMaker1 (3.5)2 months ago
I think the gun is actually quite alright, even tho it's only a 4 mana 2/2
GoreRattle (4)2 months ago
I opened 24 Darkmoon Faire Packs and all i got was a squid gun as my Legendary.
CardMaker1 (3.5)2 months ago
Thanks @DusteinStein!
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
Darkmoon Rabbit is actually playable in Zoo Paladin. I run 1 copy and it either gives me fabulous lethals or crazy N'Zoths when I'm behind
Gothe (4.2)2 months ago
congrats on your olden boys
TheArcanist (4.2)2 months ago
I got a Golden C'Thun, that was the card I was most hyped about of the whole expansion. :D
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
No way! You got a golden old boy? Congrats @CardMaker1
CardMaker1 (3.5)2 months ago
It felt good when I saw that Golden Y'Shaarj coming up in the last Golden packs!
Sqentontheslime 2 months ago
Greybough works well with Germination, faceless manipulator and Stealth minions, Unless they have a Plague of death greybough can get hilariously hard to get rid of, Just gotta make sure there's always a Greybough burrowed.
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
Ramp Druid is insane again...
Sola Eclipse with Survival of the fittest is insane
Shoemanband (3.8)2 months ago
I think Greybough could work in just any minion-heavy tempo deck, not necessarily Token Druid. A 5 Mana 4/6 Taunt is decent, but just one resummon is great value. Going too token heavy might be too vulnerable to board clears, just a solid curve of minions could be enough to land a Deathrattle, maybe with a couple of Germination for extra synergy.
Randomizer (3.6)2 months ago
Greybough's purpose seems to be in a Token Druid deck, you play it when you have a bunch of minions you want to protect and you secured the board. Problem is that's very win more.

I'm thinking of building Greybough in Lucentbark Druid as a fallback. My theory is that in Lucentbark Druid, you play a lot of copy cards to generate value out of Lucentbark. Those copy cards translate to good value out of Greybough Deathrattles, not sure how it would work but that's the best I got.
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
And about that. I don't think I'll like the mini-expansion thing. So far my plan for getting gold has been rather simple: Expansion launches, spend it all and start saving for next one.
I really have no clue how to get a decent amount of packs from the next expansion after darkmoon faire.
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
Now remember guys:
A 35 card expansion will hit Hearthstone midway through Madness at Darkmoon's. Start saving gold now.
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
I have no idea how to use Greybough. I've thought about making a Legendary Trees deck with all Legendary trees but it would not be very good.
Randomizer (3.6)2 months ago
With the addition of Deck of Chaos, I have finally completed my saga of building horrible Plot Twist Warlock decks. I think I've finally reached Tier 6 status with it, huzzah.

Also got Greybough and Sayge, which I just... have absolutely no clue how to use. So that's fun.
Sqentontheslime 2 months ago
Good to hear it, I'll try to achieve the same, although I'm a little short on dust.
Shoemanband (3.8)2 months ago
I opened Eye’sor in my first 10, made a Totem deck, and managed to get four Eye’sors on the board in my first game. I’m satisfied.
Sqentontheslime 2 months ago
From 68 packs I got Greybough, Tenwu and a Golden E.T.C, God of metal, Zai the Incredible from Pre-purchasing (the smaller bundle) and as my free legendary.... Eys'or. Let's hope I can get some value out of it.
keyvnn9 (4)2 months ago
Got a 4/4 Spellbreaker
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
Can you believe it? I almost pissed myself. I opened the first golden pack and immediately got the hunter gun. I was like "ooh, nice. Card isn't that great but I'll take a golden legendary." I then started speeding through the other 4 remaining packs (meaning I didn't check the rarity before revealing the card which I usually always do) and the last one had G'huun in it.
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
I got pretty rad stuff. I got both Paladin Legendaries, Both Priest Legendaries in gold (one preorder and the other one from golden pack), the hunter gun in gold (from golden pack) and the canon gnome normal, got the warrior 3/5, Inara and Rogue 3/2 out of 138 packs (big preorder and then 50 packs through gold +8 from the Reward track)
I already had C'Thun from the battle pass already and I immediately crafted all 3 remaining old gods and some Paladin stuff which is necessary for pure, libram paladin.
TheArcanist (4.2)2 months ago
Nice luck bro... I guess my life just wanted to fuck me up a little bit more than usual.
CardMaker1 (3.5)2 months ago
I got 10 Legendaries out of 155 packs, bought both pre-order bundles and had 2200 gold, for free legendary I got deck of lunecy and golden legendary was lothraxion, so pretty happy overall.
Ymer (4)2 months ago
Okay I just bought 12 more packs and I got deck of lunacy.
Ymer (4)2 months ago
Geez, Darkmoon really wants me to play mage. For my free legend I get Sayge and in my packs I got 4 mage cards. Out of 3 packs.
TheArcanist (4.2)2 months ago
Not to mention I got Golden ETC from the preorder... Was expecting something a little better after getting Bulwark of Azzinoth in Outland and Stelina in Scholomance... My luck I guess.
TheArcanist (4.2)2 months ago
Guys how were your packs? For me, it was the worst opening ever... Three Legendaries out of 90 Packs - Lothraxion (good), Nameless One (meh), and Eys'or (trash), also a Golden C'Thun from a golden pack - that's cool at least... I feel scammed tho.
Thimzter (4.1)2 months ago
Hey guys anyone want to add me for the new expansions and try out some new decks?
GoreRattle (4)2 months ago
Trump got clowned lol
CardMaker1 (3.5)2 months ago
If you know what I mean
CardMaker1 (3.5)2 months ago
I kinda miss the "Adventure" pop up chat thingie, you got before where you could have a picture off the character to your left and text to the right.
I looked for it but didn't see it, is is removed?
keyvnn9 (4)2 months ago
I dont mind that it gives some bad decks, since those are usually the fun looking decks that Id try if I had the cards for them anyways
keyvnn9 (4)2 months ago
Whizbang isnt a card for ranked Wild, but it’s still one of the best for friendly challenges
Gothe (4.2)2 months ago
lol that sorta sucks. The moment I saw it i thought it was a really cool idea for people to play decks even if they don't already have all the cards. Then in the second moment, I realized that getting a random deck, where you wouldn't know what kind of deck ti is, or even what all the cards in it are, would be kinda bad.

Supa good idea, but bad execution. I think it'd be better if it just let players pick what class and deck they'd be playing.
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
I got it in gold T^T
I want to play my 100% golden standard decks in standard and not in wild
Gothe (4.2)2 months ago
eh. While Wizbang's idea was good, i never liked it in practice.
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
(Very weird change of topics)
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
Can we please talk about whizbang? It's the worst Wild card if you think about it. Running Whizbang means, you can't play any wild cards which makes him the worst one. It's basically not even Wild at this point. All you're doing is playing an average standard deck against broken wild ones.
I don't know how to convince Blizzard to make it a Classic card but I very much would like to!
Gothe (4.2)2 months ago
I'm a wild guy myself. mainly cuz all my favorite cards are wild and I'm not made of money, every rotation I can't afford to get a whole new collection of valuable cards so Wild works a lot with getting around that issue.
keyvnn9 (4)2 months ago
@Thimzter No. There’s enough going on in the game for me to only worry about one ranked mode :p
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
As for what I play, I like playing mostly wild because it has Tess in it. It's the only card that makes playing Thief Rogue somewhat strategic and fun. Always picking the best cards is not interesting and having Tess that replays all those cards you chose adds a layer of depth to your otherwise random Thief Rogue playstyle
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
My least played classes are DH then Priest, Paladin and Mage which are all below 100 wins. Druid is 108, Warrior and Shaman around 138. Hunter and Warlock around 300 and Rogue at 1062.
My most played class is Rogue but not because of Tempo Rogue, because of Thief/Quest Rogue. I don't like fast archetypes all that much.
Thimzter (4.1)2 months ago
@keyvnn Are you a wild player?
@TheArcanist yh the power level of Wild is a lot higher, which can be really frustrating. But it does have Yogg so at least there's that!
Thimzter (4.1)2 months ago
@Ymer I play a lot of Shaman mainly in wild. I try to create my own Wild Control Shaman decks often without any luck... But its still fun xD
TheArcanist (4.2)2 months ago
Yeah, I tried Secret Mage in Wild, I have the cards, but I got tired quickly. The Wild meta is way more about getting destroyed by toxic decks than playing fun gimmicks. Not to mention all the people who would rope against a Secret Mage.
keyvnn9 (4)2 months ago
@TheArcanist Would you ever consider playing Wild?
TheArcanist (4.2)2 months ago
I would be so happy if Secret Mage in standard could finally be viable. My favorite archetype ever was Secret Mage in KnC.
TheArcanist (4.2)2 months ago
My most played and favorite class is Mage, I just love its flavor so much. I also enjoy Demon Hunter and Paladin. For classes I don't like, I rather dislike Hunter and I really hate Priest.
Gothe (4.2)2 months ago
used to also be Dr Boom Mad Genius Warrior but stopped playing that when mechs were squashed into the ground
Gothe (4.2)2 months ago
my most played is Deathstalker Hunter and Amazing Reno & Yogg Mage.
Marleon (4.1)2 months ago
Okay, but what's your most played class then?

Mine is Priest, silly Highlander Priest for life
Marleon (4.1)2 months ago
I think Rogue, I'm just not very fond of its archetypes. I don't really have that many as Warlock either, but Rogue is the class I actively don't like playing as.
keyvnn9 (4)2 months ago
DH and Shaman myself. Rogue’s actually my most ranked wins class, and most of those wins are from Scholomance
Gothe (4.2)2 months ago
Mine are Demon Hunter and Rogue. Both are fast classes and i prefer a slower playstyle. Rogues are also made to combo spell after spell in quick succession but that's not for me.
Ymer (4)2 months ago
Question: What is everyone's least played classes?
Marleon (4.1)2 months ago
As for Yrel, it's a bit of a bummer for me, because Im hoping we see an Argus expansion, but like Karazhan and Scholomance, the uncorrupted version, with Kil'jaeden and Archimonde as good guys and you know... That's one of the ideas I would love to see in an expansion
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
Also can we please stop writing long monologues about Hearthstones problems and not-problems? I find things like that hard to read, despite how well-written they are (it's not because I can't read, I promise).
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
Lothraxion is also kind of weird. Everyone except for Paladin got Darkmoon Legendaries but they got the lore treatment (which is still nice for the ones who know).
Marleon (4.1)2 months ago
@TheArcanist You think? Her voiceline and music are pretty good too

@Thimzter Well yeah. Ben was in touch in the community. Even if he wasn't the best one to adress problems the community brought up to him. And Ill waiting for the patches to the progression as Im sure we'll see at least some. And I personally like the Tavern Pass, the new portraits are pretty nice and bonus XP is always nice I guess
Thimzter (4.1)2 months ago
@Marloen You make a great point, you are right that Ben Brode may not have been the greatest director but he was very in touch with the community. The new team without Brode was making some great changes with the new Quests and no duplicate system in packs and was a very rewarding change for a casual player who was played a long time. However, the Battle Pass system has undone all that positive change, and its pretty clear to me that higher ups wanted it to be implemented as its a way to make more money. I believe the HS Team may have tried to make it F2P friendly but beyond the initial stages of the pass its not very rewarding as a lot of the EXP Quests and Boosts don't apply anymore. This is the thing I found so frustrating. I am definitely not a player that grinds hearthstone to get all my quests, but the Tavern Pass seems like a greedy attempt to squeeze a little more money out of players.
TheArcanist (4.2)2 months ago
Yeah, a little bit. Also, it's so annoying that she looks so badass in the artwork yet the entrance voiceline/music is some My Little Pony-level cartoon garbage.
Gothe (4.2)2 months ago
Anyone else find Yrel's inclusion in the Darkmoon Fair a lil outta place?
Marleon (4.1)2 months ago
As for portaits, I think they want to make a major difference between the ALTERNATIVE HERO and A HERO SKIN. I don't mind it to be honest, more conent is more content. Most of the portraits aren't actually bad and they are free, so they're not as polished as the paid ones, but the three upgradeable ones are actually decent.

I don't want to say however you can't play competetively, but I wanted to adress the fact that it was never the main focus of the game. Everybody has their own playstyle, but being overly competetive, even toxic in such a game is just wrong In my opinion.
keyvnn9 (4)2 months ago
As an upper-casual f2p player, I dont mind not having skins. I mean, Id prefer having fewer good skins in the game than lots of lesser ones, but it doesnt really affect me and if it’s going to draw people in to the game I dont mind. As for tying achievements to specific Legendaries, all it means is that Im not going to be a completionist, but I already wasnt, so again, doesnt affect me too much
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
@Marleon Addressing your point that Hearthstone should not be played competitively
("If you're trying to be the biggest tryhard you can be, in a game when Yogg-Saron, Hope's End is a card, I think you might be doing something wrong.") I disagree because everyone gets their fun in different ways whether that is being #1 or playing random cards. I, personally, like playing random cards more than winning, supported by the fact that Rogue is the only hero I have 1000 wins with which I mostly acquired through Thief Rouge, while all others are between 50 and 400 but I do understand that being Legend and winning games has something satisfying.
Marleon (4.1)2 months ago
Not to say I didn't like Ben Brode. He was a very fun person, however im not sure if he deserves all his enormous praise he received.

And well, I admit the system is flawed, but it isn't unsalvageable, so I'll just wait for things to get better, because after the major outcry, things will certainly change. As for the packs, yes, some of them are the stinkers, but there actually are packs from the Darkmoon Faire there too. The bigger problem than the actual packs themselves is their distribution, like putting Year of the Dragon packs at level 48, around a week before the rotation for most players. So I believe changing those to regular Darkmoon Faire packs, or if Blizz feels ballsy, golden ones.

BUT I HAVE TO GIVE THEM THAT. THEY AT LEAST AREN'T STINKING CLASSIC PACKS.
TheArcanist (4.2)2 months ago
Another thing I don't like is that hero portraits are heading towards quantity over quality. The 50lvl portraits as well as alt Jaina/Thrall skins are not only boring and low-effort, they also have no unique voicelines, no hero trays, no card backs, no special entrances or interactions. I'd much rather get one well-polished, full-packed alternate Jaina skin than three crappy ones.

And while the system change doesn't bother me that much since I pay for the game anyway, it feels like a kick in the face of FtP and casual players. And I really don't want the playerbase to decrease - if a game is dying, there is less reason to make it better.

I'd also say that the achievements are cool... I mean, they are, but there is another problem. They are either boring - just 'do stuff you'd normally do in a game, like play Lifesteal cards' or even worse - the achievements from Darkmoon Faire are often tied to specific Legendary or Epic cards, which again is very bad for FtP players. I'd really like more achievements that are actual challenges - the ones like 'Win without summoning more than one minion' are the perfect example.
TheArcanist (4.2)2 months ago
Ok, I guess people have different points of view on this change. I have a few things to say as well.

First of all, I do spend a lot of money on the game, basically preordering the bigger bundle of each expansion and buying some smaller bundles in between. I also play quite a bit - like 250-300 hours per expansion, and that's right now, during quarantine, when I have more time for stuff and don't play during breaks etc. Normally I would actually play more since I would play everyday for like ~1-1,5h and not long, 6-8h sessions every few days.

That being said, I've been able to collect ~90% of cards from each expansion; the duplicate protection was an absolute blessing when it comes to epics. And now I'm concerned. I really don't like when something gets worse and I can't do anything about it. And the new system has major flaws - the biggest one imo being rewarding bigger things every now and then and not smaller things, but more often. Also, giving packs and Arena tickets is ALWAYS worse than giving gold - a pack from a certain expansion can't be exchanged for a pack from a different one, while 100 gold can, same for arena tickets. A Scholomance pack is basically worthless for me since I have nearly all the cards from the expansion and I'd MUCH rather just have 100 gold. Not to mention Year of the Dragon packs which will rotate in a few months.
keyvnn9 (4)2 months ago
@Marleon I agree with pretty much all of your points, but Brode’s talk on Purify is one of my favorite developer insights that there’s been and I agree with what he says there. Balance changes taking too long was a part of Blizzard’s fear that changing things too fast would hurt the community (but that idea’s been changed now).
Anyways, that’s mostly unrelated. I think you summarized Hearthstone design well
Marleon (4.1)2 months ago
The other thing I thing I see the community has a huge problem with is that the game is too random and now rewards players XP even for losing. I think this mentality misses the entire point of Hearhstone, which was never meant to be a heavy focused competetive game. Sure, you can play ranked, but the randomness and silliness is just a part of the game. Many players get too competetive playing only the most most meta efficent decks, feeling better than other, more casual players. But looking at the game as it is now, it has even more non competetive modes than competetive ones: Casual Play, Adventure (there a lot of those), Tavern Brawl, Battlegrounds and Casual Duels compared to Ranked, Heroic Duels and Arena. Hearthstone is a game when its main focus is to have fun and I think it was always obvious to most players. If you're trying to be the biggest tryhard you can be, in a game when Yogg-Saron, Hope's End is a card, I think you might be doing something wrong.
Marleon (4.1)2 months ago
Many people keep telling themselves that the game is dying, boring and everything, just because Ben Brode left. The truth is that the game has gotten MUCH better since Brode left. We all sure loved Brode for his attitude and nature, but as a Director, he wasn't doing too great. Many problems were left unadressed, with balance changes taking months, many cards were purely designed to be inbalanced (there's an entire video explaning why Purify is terrible and why it is fine it is terrible by Ben himself after all). Note that Brode was still mostly responsible for the development of most of the expansions during Year of the Raven and that was certainly the worst time for Hearthstone (the addition of Baku the Mooneater and Genn Greymane, entire Rastakhan, etc.) Year of the Mammoth had its own share of problems with many decks being very opressive and having huuge winrates, like Raza Priest or Cubelock. But with Ben Lee in charge, Year of the Dragon and Year of the Phoenix have brought us many amazing new additions to the game: Dalaran Heist/Tombs of Terror, Book of Heroes to give players more context on the charatcers, The Demon Hunter class (which yes, was and kinda still is a bit unbalanced, but the new class had to be a bit stronger than the other ones to draw in old players, if the new class was going to be worse than most, why would anyone bother?) and this progression revamp. The meta is way more balanced and the changes take a lot less time.
Marleon (4.1)2 months ago
I think Hearthstone atm has a similar problem to League of Legends, when a major part of the community is just very toxic and despite telling everybody everywhere on every occasion how much they HATE the actual game they keep playing it anyway. Every new patch with new stuff, which is often fun and is certainly better than getting nothing at all (shoutout to all our Valve games enjoyers), is often viewed as bad and greedy and such.
Marleon (4.1)2 months ago
@Thimzter Oh don't get me started on Ben Brode again... Ehhh. He's not worthy of his overpraised legacy
Marleon (4.1)2 months ago
About the new system, as a casual player, who wasn't getting 30 wins a day, so far I feel, Im getting more gold with this progression than with the old one.

And I'm mostly a F2P player, I mean, I bought this new Tavern Pass, but I haven't bought a single pre-order. Just gathering gold, Ive managed to get most cards I wanted. Of course, I don't have most legendaries each expansion. But do I need them? No. I have enough cards to play many diverse decks, even without the legendaries. I play casual anyway.

So indeed, the new system is flawed, it should reward more XP for just playing the game, but the main problem I have at the moment is with people's logic that everybody grinds 30 wins per day, you need 100% of cards each expansion to even play the game and only counting pure gold as rewards in the system. I mean, Ive seen enough threads not considering packs and arena tickets to have any value saying "you get those too, but gold is more important". Well, not really. Packs are also worth 100 gold each, and an arena ticket is 150 gold. That's basic knowledge, so Im not sure why people don't take them into account.
keyvnn9 (4)2 months ago
Does the video assume you grind 100 gold every day in the old system?
Thimzter (4.1)2 months ago
@TheArcanist I saw that video too, although I'm not a player that saved a lot of gold before but its crazy how much it affects other players. I've been playing since beta and its truly sad the direction they're going with Hearthstone. After the departure of Ben Brode and now David, Hearthstone has truly lost its spirit.
TheArcanist (4.2)2 months ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyqWTqlAuyQ&t
=81s

Just wanted to share the latest video from Zeddy about the new reward system. Some of you have probably seen it already, and some might not be interested, but I think it shows the sad truth about what they did to this game. This should definitely get more recognition.
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
Let me predict it here: Horrendous Growth is going to be a good card. It cannot be silenced therefor it's a good big body. Ofc it can only be used by slower and bigger decks but it's a good card.
Kapiork 2 months ago
So wait, you can eventually get all Level 50 heroes? Great!
Marleon (4.1)2 months ago
The Level 50 ones are a mixed bag. I'll probably go for Priest this expansion, because I like Anduin as a character and this portraitis pretty good.

Next expansion Im aiming for Illidan, because the stock one is just bad and I don't Aranna, so... Yeah. Not to say this portrait is bad, it's pretty nice.

The other ones are bit hard for me to judge, but Ill try to do it anyway.

Gul'dan is pretty good, very nice demonic vibe.
Uther looks a little plain, not very interesting.
So does Jaina, pretty much every other Jaina portrai is much better, except the stock one.
Thrall looks a bit twisted with his body and the colors look flat with minimal shading.
Valeera is actually pretty decent, I like her here.
Garrosh is fine, but a bit generic. Nothing really makes him stand out.
Malfurion and Rexxar are pretty alright, right in the middle. Not great, not bad. But looking at both their stock, 1000 wins and Rexxar's Book portrait, those level 50 ones are probably their best portraits anyway.
Ymer (4)2 months ago
@TheArcanist Yes.
TheArcanist (4.2)2 months ago
What skin from the 10 skins you can choose from when you get to lvl 50 would you like the most? I think I'm gonna choose Druid or Priest, I think the others look kinda bad. Wish they were already shown with animations.
Gothe (4.2)2 months ago
depends where you live in the world. for me, it's any time after i wake up to before evening when people are going to sleep. posting them when they're awake allows for more people to view and comment on your cards
Kapiork 2 months ago
What's the best time to post cards?
TheArcanist (4.2)2 months ago
I really wish they made an option to select a random hero just like with the random card back.
TheArcanist (4.2)2 months ago
I actually like the Nagrand Garrosh portrait as well. Not gonna replace my Deathwing, but as I decided to buy all the portraits from Book of Heroes, I should enjoy some games with this bad boy as well.
Shoemanband (3.8)2 months ago
Yeah, tbh I like the wistful protagonist look of the new portrait more than the brutal warlord we have now. Not enough to buy it, though.
Gothe (4.2)2 months ago
imma be in the minority with this one, but i really like Nagran Garrosh simply because it looks so different than the typical Garrosh we know.
However, i'd much rather they do a dungeon run style single player instead of the Book of Heroes.
Marleon (4.1)2 months ago
I like Yogg, but not THAT much...
Anyway, other thoughts on Nagrand Garrosh?
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
*when he fills the board with random stuff, your stuff will have rush but it only matters if you got good stuff
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
I feel like Sayge could have some potential. Yogg is the best card in the game rn no questions asked. It's a 10 mana 7/5 that either destroys all minions and gets real big, fills the board with random stuff (I think the worst of all results), becomes old yogg, fills ypur hand with random spells that cost 0 (wtf this is so scary I love it), or destroys a random hero (which is the funniest of all the options)
Ymer (4)2 months ago
Garrosh Ogre is a !*$!@)$% mana (*^&$*@* / %#%($@ and no text. Bad stats for the cost.
Gothe (4.2)2 months ago
i just got Sayge. Feels bad man
Gothe (4.2)2 months ago
@Marleon how can you talk about Yogg like that!?!?!?
Marleon (4.1)2 months ago
But the problem is he is very bad for the cost...
Poondaedalin (4.1)2 months ago
@Marleon I hadn't seen the Garrosh Warrior skin before I saw your post, and... Yikes. He looks like a Boulderfist Ogre.
Marleon (4.1)2 months ago
Im really diggin the new upgradeable ones with the pass. Jaina-3 would be perfer if she was a bit more centered on her head instead of a full body and I really like Thrall-1. Much more than Thrall-2 and Thrall-3, so Im gonna use the first one I think as I don't really have any other Shaman portraits. even if I had tho, I still like Thrall-1 quite a lot.

Aaaaaaand the new warrior looks sick. I'm gonna be sad putting Magni aside, but Annhylde looks great.

The level 50 pass ones are pretty good too, Im really looking forward to getting Anduin and maybe Illidan next expansion. Gul'dan is pretty good too, if you like Warlock.
Marleon (4.1)2 months ago
By the way. What do you think about the Nagrand Garrosh skind secretly revealed yesterday? You can check it in your collection of Heroes in the collection menager, it's at the very end.

Soo. Next to Morgl, who at least has unique voice lines and is his own character, Nagrand Garrosh is in my opinion the absolute worst alternate Hero skin. It's just soooo ugly. Some of the stock ones are pretty bad too, but they are stock ones, so they aren't supposed to be very special, but as far as alternate ones go, Nagrand Garrosh is absolutely terrible imo
Marleon (4.1)2 months ago
I got the new Yogg I actually really hoped for C'Thun or Lothraxion, but Ill will take Yogg
Ymer (4)2 months ago
I got Sayge. Mage is my second least played class. DH is my least played, so I'm glad it wasn't Zai or Il'gynoth.
keyvnn9 (4)2 months ago
Just got Yrel too. I dont plan on crafting Paladin though
Shoemanband (3.8)2 months ago
Yrel. Not bad, but that means I’ll have to craft a bunch of Paladin epics.
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
Oh and don't expect me to not brag about the legendaries I get, just saying. I'd like to hear what you get too but we still have some time, I guess.
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
I promised myself that jf I don't get every Old God day 1 I'm crafting all of them right there and then. Thank god I got C Thun off the list. I really want both Paladin, Mage, Rogue or Warlock (even Deck of Chaos) Legendaries. They could be a ton of fun with the right old God.
Randomizer (3.6)2 months ago
I got Blastheimer :( Was hyped because I like Deathrattle Hunter, then I realized that Blastheimer's base stats are so bad that you can't build a good deck around her. At least she'll help me craft N'Zoth.
TheArcanist (4.2)2 months ago
I got an Old God... but the wrong one, it was G'huun. Kinda sucks cause I like never play Priest and I really hate the class.
Poondaedalin (4.1)2 months ago
I got Blastenheimer. Time to finally build a Mech Hunter deck!
MosnarNoedig (3.8)2 months ago
I got frickin' metal ETC. I may quit Hearthstone soon.
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
(I got C'Thun)
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
What's the Legendary you guys got from the first reward? Any old godzz?
Poondaedalin (4.1)2 months ago
I would assume that the Battle Pass pays for itself if you're the type of person that buys packs with money. Granted, it's useless for the rest of us, but catering to the whales is what makes Blizzard the most money, so that's probably what they'll go for.
Gothe (4.2)2 months ago
I think it should be called a battle pass by the devs
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
What do you guys think of the battle pass (also called reward track by the devs to avoid using that term)?
Marleon (4.1)2 months ago
JoJo made it to HS, it's time to burn my computer
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
Hearthstone is a big jojoke confirmed!
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
Guys, GUYS! FLAVOUR TEXT FOR SHADOW CLONE!!! "You thought you were attacking face, but it was me! You!"
KONO DIO DA
Gothe (4.2)2 months ago
ogre is funny
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
Can we also please talk about the ogre they revealed. Too funny. Optimistic Ogre 6/7 (real nice) 50% chance to hit the *correct* enemy
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
Priest sure is getting a lot of discount cards which is scary. But I don't think Idol of Y'Shaarj is a problem. Feels a bit too slow and random. You can't play it early to cheat out big minions from your deck like the 6 mana spell (that summons a 5/5 copy) does, nor can you play it late in a big deck because at that point you'd just play the normal card because it's less random. Using this in any non-big deck would be too slow. I really don't see any strong uses for this
GoreRattle (4)2 months ago
Idol of Y'Shaarj seems too broken to be a Priest card.
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
You can find great art for your cards there and do some other stuff idk
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
As I have noticed not too many people know, here's the link to the custom Hearthstone card subreddit discord:
https://discord.gg/92PK5Brx
Gothe (4.2)2 months ago
disappointing, i know.
Gothe (4.2)2 months ago
lol that's funny, but that's not me.
Ymer (4)2 months ago
Hold on, I was just playing Hearthstone and I literally ran into someone with the username Gothe. I went "that's impossible!" I mean, you can't be playing Hearthstone right now, and then we just so happen to be in a game, right? Is it a different Gothe? Ahhhhhhhhhhhh!
Gothe (4.2)2 months ago
I don't think Oh My Yogg! is gonna be ran a lot. Mainly due to it's randomness factor. Some paladin decks would want to reduce that randomness. That or i'm entirely wrong.
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
Can't wait to get Cataclysm from a Fireball in wild. Might turn out to be a very fun card though especially when it backfires
Shoemanband (3.8)2 months ago
ngl Oh My Yogg! kind of scares me. Beyond the scenarios where it's just a cheaper Counterspell, the fact that it has a chance of absolutely blowing up the game for you or your opponent makes playing against any Paladin Secret terrifying. Even if you just cast a throw away 1-cost spell, it could still become a Plague of Flames.
Marleon (4.1)2 months ago
It were some dark times. Posting series of cards longer than 3 was always a game of life and death as it meant reposting everything once again
Ymer (4)2 months ago
@Gothe I didn't have my account set up at the time, but it suuuuucked.
MosnarNoedig (3.8)2 months ago
yeppp
Gothe (4.2)2 months ago
does anyone else remember a time when we couldn't add, change, or remove tokens on cards?
keyvnn9 (4)2 months ago
I still have my Elemental Shaman deck from Un’Goro
Currently I have 2 main decks, being Weapon Rogue and Bomb Warrior. The one I prefer from them is Bomb Warrior (which I crafted multiple Legendaries for back in AoO). I understand why it can feel annoying to play against, but I just like the resource management, and it feels like a good ol’ Control Warrior (one of my favorite archetypes)
Poondaedalin (4.1)2 months ago
Kind of an unpopular opinion, but Elemental Shaman! I started playing way back in K&C, back when the whole package was still in Standard, and the deck has always had a special place in my heart.
Marleon (4.1)2 months ago
Favorite archetype? Highlander Priest, it has to be. I always loved Priest and with Reno, Kazzakus, Raza, Zephyrys and Alexx it was always a lot of fun. And there's just a lot of silly and fun cards in Priest to play around with. I never played wild, so I never used Reno, Kazzakus and Zephyrys at the same time, but the deck is just cool
Gothe (4.2)2 months ago
and don't go and tell me that Deathstalker rexxar isn't an archetype, but is actually a card that fits into archetypes, cuz zombeasts is definitely an archetype.
Gothe (4.2)2 months ago
One word. Zombeasts
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
I'm extremely into Big Wild Quest Warlock (using Voidlords and other big demons aswell as Betrug and Dorian) and Wild Thief Fiesta Quest Rogue (Yogg, Tess and other thief Rogue cards excluding Hanar) (I got my 1000 wins in Rogue using mostly this deck)
Thimzter (4.1)2 months ago
@TheArcanist, mines probably gotta be Deathrattle Control Shaman, very niche deck in Wild but I love to play it. Any Shaman Control cards always make me very happy!
Infospam 2 months ago
I really like spell hunter type stuff. But I am also a fan of secret hunter so I am glad that were getting more cards for that.
TheArcanist (4.2)2 months ago
Hi guys, I always wanted to know: what are your favorite (ingame) deck archetypes? My personal favorite is Tempo Mage and Secret Mage and I'm pretty hyped for the new Secret synergy cards. What do you like?
Infospam 2 months ago
here are the other three

Infospam 2 months ago
Seeing as how I can get cards into the gallery I am gonna post these here and ask for your thoughts

Gothe (4.2)2 months ago
i'm still holding out hope that rogues will get all the tools they'll need. I feel like that panda legendary that bounces minions back will be used a lot for value.
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
I feel like Rogue isn't getting any particularly strong cards and archetypes. Shuffle rogue will be a thing but when was that ever a good archetype
Gothe (4.2)2 months ago
love it. Love Yogg.
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
What do you guys think of the new expansion so far?
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
Depends on the archetype but I'd agree with @Steve
Stevethebarbarian (3.6)2 months ago
99.9% of the time you'd rather discover a copy. Shadow Visions is a 2 mana spell with no body, and the new 1/1 that discovers the card to draw is 1 mana with a body, but Shadow Visions is enormously better.
Gothe (4.2)2 months ago
So im curious. Which a more powerful effect on a card; "Discovering a card form your deck to draw" or "Discover a copy of a card in your deck." Whether be a spell, a minion, a weapon or whatever. Do you think there's an "objective" and universally better of the two, or does it depend on the circumstances and the cards?
keyvnn9 (4)2 months ago
I only promote when Im particularly satisfied with a card, which doesnt happen lots times per day
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
Is it intended that the promote option is used rarely or how does it happen that only every few days one card gets promoted?
keyvnn9 (4)2 months ago
Uhh didnt put link https://www.vicioussyndicate.com/vs-data-reap
er-podcast-episode-21/
keyvnn9 (4)2 months ago
Friendly suggestion to check out this interview of Alec Dawson. They talk about a bunch of hot topics here like card design, class identity, and balance. Would reccomend.
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
The balloon merchant's flavour text is really neat.
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
I can already tell that the memes for this expansion will be great
Poondaedalin (4.1)2 months ago
Battlecry: If your deck has no Neutral cards, test your opponent's mettle.
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
I like the new 8 mana 7/5 Paladin Legendary High Exarch Yrel with
Battlecry: If your deck has no neutral minions gain Unity, Precision, Perfection
Poondaedalin (4.1)2 months ago
That new Mage secret is going to be so obnoxious to play against
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
I guess disco lock is coming to standard. Warrior is getting a Managerie package ans some rush stuff which is cool. DH is playing tokens and Lifesteal and rogue is getting combo I think
Shoemanband (3.8)2 months ago
Warlock is probably getting the same-old Handlock/Zoolock split, although it looks like Zoolock will be more Discard-focused. Devs have said in an interview that they'll also have synergy with Y'shaarj, so that's probably how they're going to flavor this expansion's Handlock.

It looks like Warrior is going Rush and Menagerie.

Rogue is probably getting some sort of draw/miracle archetype to synergize better with C'thun. I'm making a big predict that we'll finally see some Coin Rogue cards, but I'm probably wrong.
Gothe (4.2)2 months ago
based on that first priest card that gains stats based on spells in your hand, i'm guessing a heavier emphasis on spells.
Poondaedalin (4.1)2 months ago
Looking at the stuff so far, I predict:
Hunter: A Secret package and a Deathrattle Mech package
Mage: Secrets?
Demon Hunter: Me go face
Druid: Spell-based to work well with Yogg
Paladin: Menagerie-based to work well with N'Zoth
Priest: Control Priest?
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
Good point. About that too, before we have seen all archetypes they're trying to push, what do you think we'll see (assuming 2 archetypes per class)
Gothe (4.2)2 months ago
people, people, just remember, even though it looks like it could be strong, Ace Hunter Kreen was also thought to be pretty strong when it was revealed. However its not really used. Not because it's not strong, but because it's weak for the meta and the decks of current.
keyvnn9 (4)2 months ago
Should be noted that the Legendary doubles your Attack with Aldrachi Warblades. If it was added to the game on its own, it would be good already.
Marleon (4.1)2 months ago
I think that this new Lifesteal DH shouldn't be that big of an issue. Unless DH gets some really op Lifesteal cards, but for what it is atm, even if DH has some Lifesteal, most of it isn't very good
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
@Everyone, Where do you find/rate new custom cards? I don't know about you but I see almost all of the cards I do under "recent comments" so that I can react to conversations and answer the people when they ask for thoughts. So if you make a card be sure to comment something.
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
;)
Matar 2 months ago
@DustenStein Thank you
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
@Matar нажми кнопку с надписью "Put into gallery". Там появляется галочка. Если хочешь дополнительные карты присоединить к карте, нажми зеленый текст. Если не хочешь, желтый.
CardMaker1 (3.5)2 months ago
I really like the new Il'gynoth card and wow that mechanic is something else Should be really fun the card in 2 weeks.
Matar 2 months ago
No :(
Randomizer (3.6)2 months ago
Huge fan of actually turning Lifesteal into an archetype, it's always felt like a keyword that was just there in the background and now they're making something out of it.
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
Mage is also getting some secrets which is great
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
Guys what do you think of the new DH package? Token + Lifesteal
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
Говоришь по-английски?
Matar 2 months ago
Ку всем. Вы не знаете как выложить свою карту в галерею?
MosnarNoedig (3.8)2 months ago
If 'tis your will to trade battletags, @Marleon, who am I to disagree? Though not in this... public place. I'm under the same name on the 366 Days of Hearthstone discord, if you wish to find me there.
MosnarNoedig (3.8)2 months ago
The deck was fun. It was not ...good, per se, but it was fun. I never checked the stats, but it wasn't much over 50%, if at all.
Poondaedalin (4.1)2 months ago
I've tried the deck a couple times, and every single time, Oblivitron dodges its Deathrattle trigger. I can only imagine how insane it will get with Baron Rivendare and Darkmoon Tonk.
Marleon (4.1)2 months ago
We should trade battletags, shouldn't we?
MosnarNoedig (3.8)2 months ago
It brings tears to my eyes. I played Mech Hunter during Rise of Shadows, and it was the most fun I've had in Hearthstone.
MosnarNoedig (3.8)2 months ago
Oh, I loved that deck. The highroll was when you hit Oblivitron with Nine Lives, with a Necromechanic on board, and a Whelp and Safeguard in hand.
Marleon (4.1)2 months ago
Hello hello, everybody
Gothe (4.2)2 months ago
true! Guess I missed that decks heyday.
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
If you got Oblivitron with Nine Lives + Mechanical Whelp in your hand you got a 3/4, a 2/2 and a 7/7 on board (if you got lucky). I remember it being a decent card
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
@Gothe it had Mechanical Whelp
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
Yeah. What's also interesting is that there are quite a few high Cost cards this expansion meaning Blizz is moving away from the aggro meta. They already revealed 6 legendaries of which one costs 4, one 6 and 4 10 mana, each supporting a good archetype.
Gothe (4.2)2 months ago
@DustenStein I mean, I don't think Oblivitron ever had good support, even when Boomsday was around.
Poondaedalin (4.1)2 months ago
Not just Oblivitron. Look at some of the lowest winrate cards in Standard right now. Beyond the memes and the Basic cards, some of the lowest are from the Mech Hunter package, since they have almost no Standard support right now.
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
And about the two new cards: THANK GOD! Ever since Boomsday rotated out, Oblivitron has been one of the least useful cards in my collection
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
I'm guessing Deathrattle Hunter
Poondaedalin (4.1)2 months ago
I'm hoping that Druid gets spell-based synergy to work with the new Yogg-Saron. Double Yogg Druid would be a lot of fun, especially since you can use Polkelt + Guess the Weight to immediately draw both Yoggs.
Shoemanband (3.8)2 months ago
I hope we see some sort of menagerie archetype with N’zoth. I’m betting Hunter gets some tools for that, although I could see it being more neutral-focused.
Thimzter (4.1)2 months ago
I think for Shaman its probably going to be murlocs, I hope personally for Totems but that is a bit niche
Gothe (4.2)2 months ago
Just curious what archetypes people think/theorize could be pushed in the Darkmoon Fair We've already seen i think 4 of the druid cards.
Gothe (4.2)2 months ago
ya know what? @Nikko your proposed emblem works wonders anyways. Doesn't necessarily look like a monk tower. Could be a watch tower! Thanks!
Gothe (4.2)2 months ago
oooo {{EMBLEM=custom53}} has crossing words. that's a good one.
Gothe (4.2)2 months ago
Thanks @Nikko but that's not really what i'm looking for (although i'm sure I can use it). Is there a list of the custom emblems that I can see instead of typing them all in to see what they are? I know the card maker shows a few of them.
Nikko (creator)2 months ago
Here it is. {{EMBLEM=custom56a}}
But I guess it won't really fit non-monk related stuff.

Nikko (creator)2 months ago
There is a monk temple emblem somewhere, they are supposed to be kinda neutral?
Gothe (4.2)2 months ago
hey everyone, so i'm starting work on a new expansion, and i'm trying to find an emblem that's pretty neutral to both factions. Something like a flag.
keyvnn9 (4)2 months ago
And the bird pops out
Gothe (4.2)2 months ago
cool. Made on the third of January, 2014. I also like the custom emblem in the back
Kapiork 2 months ago
Surprised it took so long to make this, but better late that never, I suppose.
Poondaedalin (4.1)2 months ago
Hello!
DustenStein (4.2)2 months ago
Thanks @Nikko :)
sunbird1002 (3.7)2 months ago
Hi. Wow this should be a thing
Thimzter (4.1)2 months ago
Hello! This is cool
GoreRattle (4)2 months ago
Hello!